Hi, Yes, RIPE is still running and providing some valuable services. But the fact that a system still functions doesn’t mean it’s in good shape — North Korea functions too. A system can keep running for a long time even if it’s outdated, inefficient, or unjust. Survival alone isn’t a sign of health — it just means collapse hasn’t arrived yet. And in any such system, those benefiting from the status quo naturally resist change. “You can’t satisfy everyone 100%” is often used to shut down criticism, but in practice, it just protects those already satisfied. It turns real concerns into background noise. As for the silent majority — silence doesn’t equal support. Most people stay quiet not because they’re happy, but because they haven’t yet been pushed past their limits. That’s not approval; it’s tolerance, often temporary. About the idea of a split — I agree that fragmentation isn’t necessarily desirable. But not all internal conflict needs to end in separation. Germany is a good example: East and West had deep divides, but eventual reform and reintegration were possible. Sometimes the better path is fixing the system from within, not walking away. Best regards, Chenyang On Jun 6, 2025, at 16:46, Daniel Suchy via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote: Hi, RIPE worked and still works the same way and I don't see any fundamental problem with it. And I don't see something else. Just some subjective feeling. But in this debate, I consider it a fundamental mistake to hide any argument behind the silent majority (and this argument is repeated). That is a false argument. if a real majority is dissatisfied, it will manifest itself differently. Yes, RIPE provides additional services that other RIRs don't. But mostly here is the value - for the good of the internet. Atlas is an amazing project, which helps detect problems, to anyone. Running one DNS root instance also makes sense. RIPEstat is also useful for troubleshoting routing issues. Policies in the region are determined not only by members, but by a much wider community. This allows non-members to participate. and I consider it a benefit that outside opinions can also enter the policy development process. There's no erosion in rights. Perhaps a relevant debate is some (real) split. If some regions are not satisfied, why not separate them into another (their) organization. If there;s 5 or 6-7 RIRs - that's not a problem. Of course, for RIPE, this would mean a decrease in income. And this may have an impact primarily on those services provided for the good of the internet. And of course this may lead to those who have "separated" from RIPE will lose access first. Or eventually the new RIR will start contributing himself to prevent it from happening. But I honestly don't think that this idea about split would gain wider support. And even if I mention it here, I probably wouldn't support it. TLDR: RIPE still works well... even though we may be dissatisfied with small details. but you can never satisfy everyone 100%. - Daniel On 6/5/25 11:38 AM, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: RIPE worked successfully for decades under its original mission, but data analysis shows a clear trend of member rights erosion and declining performance in key operational areas compared to other RIRs. The organization is not adapting well to current trends and challenges. Mission adjustment isn't about destroying RIPE's legacy - it's about ensuring its continued relevance and effectiveness in today's environment. Even other RIRs, while imperfect, are outpacing RIPE NCC in several critical areas. ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/