Hi,
The huge majority of those are the new LIRs that were founded only to grab one of the last free assignments - many only with the goal to sell these IPs again after the prices rise to a 'good' level.
Please refrain yourself to put all this new LIR in the same bag. After having to wait one year and an half to be only to be granted a single /24 while paying the same fees than everyone during this whole time, like the ones who got a /22 without any waitlist not so long ago, I don't really appreciate to be considered like that. To my knowledge, the small LIR you are talking about have emptied the latest IPv4 reserves at the begining of 2022. The IPv4 pool received at this time are free of any transfert restrictions for some time now, even from the late ones. This kind of LIR will disappear over the years. Also, the small LIR paying the minimal fees in both models can be IPv6 only members. Let's not discourage LIR promoting/expanding the IPv6 usage with unappropriate considerations and biaised conclusions. As a reminder, any large IPv4 pool can be replaced by an IPv6 /29, and from a /29 one can make as much allocation as with an IPv4 /5. Kind regards, Alexandre Le 15/12/2025 à 17:25, Kaiser, Karl a écrit :
Hi,
looking at both proposals it strikes me that even the older ISPs, holding larger assignments (talking about something like /10 - /15) will face a huge increase, leaving the only conclusion that only the very small LIRs holding something like /22-/24 assignments will benefit. The huge majority of those are the new LIRs that were founded only to grab one of the last free assignments - many only with the goal to sell these IPs again after the prices rise to a 'good' level. These few LIRs holding larger assignments than that might benefit, but from a budget point of view it doesn't make much of a difference if this handful of LIR pay more or less than before. I'd like to see a calculation of both models getting run against all So as a conclusion: these adjustments are getting made to charge those who have real customers and act as ISPs more and reduce the cost for those with the main goal of using IPs for trading.
Kind regards, Karl
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Hi to everyone,
I have looked at both models. If I have understood the models correctly, it is striking that small and medium-sized LIRs suffer a significant increase in annual fees in both models. Looking at the cost contribution per IP address, it quickly becomes clear that older LIRs with /4 and larger networks in particular are making disproportionately low contributions, even though they have allocated significantly more resources. This should definitely be addressed. Why is the cost contribution per IP not kept linear?
Kind regards Peter
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