* Akayo wrote:
We should keep things simple: If a LIR with 128-times more IPv4 space only pays 2.7-times (= Model A) or 2.3 times (= Model B) so much we already have found the problem.
I do not understand this fetish on IPv4. Use IPv6, as normal people do, and stop complaining. Use 6to4-NAT solutions to reach the legacy space out there. The problem, we have is the size of the DFZ. This costs money, everybody here and every day. We have problems with reconvergence during interconnection issues. We have problems with ever increasing hardware resources etc. pp. So let's pay per visible DFZ entry: an additional RIPE tax to tidy up the DFZ. One AS and visible route per address-family is included in the LIR fee. Assume you are running an IXP: - you have an AS für your own business and a PA space, because you are LIR - you have an additional AS for the IXP and an PI space for the same purpose You stick with the 75€ RIPE handling fee for each of those four objects. If your IXP network is visible: add xxx€ If your IXP AS is visible: add xxx€ If you have an PI/PA space: One per LIR is free, the others count in. If you deaggregate your space: xxx€ per route. If you merge with an other LIR: pay xxx€ for the formerly included ones. How to calculate the xxx€? From the merger case the equivalence of 3* xxx€ = 1* LIR-fee arises. (That's the AS, an IPv4 route, and an IPv6 route). Assuming a LIR fee of 1500€, the amount in question = 500€. If you are a large ISP with multiple networks, you pay for them. If you deaggregate those networks aggressively to save money on interconnections traffic engineering, you have to pay for. If you use multiple AS in order to save money from routing optimizations. you have to pay for. If you are a small ISP with an IPv6, IPv4, and an AS. Pay our LIR fee. If you are buying IPv4 in small entities from aftermarket, you have to pay for this DFZ pollution. If you aggregate your space, you'll save money. Did you notice, that I did not say anything about IPv4 sizes? I did not speak about IPv6, too. It does not matter. Lutz Donnerhacke