IT was, is and always will be a field where you always have to learn new things. Deploying IPv6 is not difficult, not these days. If someone says it's hard, they shouldn't be called an admin. That's just a copy-paste monkey relying on twenty-year-old procedures that he simply doesn't want to change. And those who don't have IPv6 deployed much are crying the most. You can often find a lot of other old software from the IT museum around these. But RIPE is not a service provider in the sense that it should be charged according to the addresses consumed. If so, it would have to get rid of the non-profit label - and also pay taxes relevant for business entities. Being a non-profit means, among other things, treating all its members equally. All these attempts are just an attempt to ride a dead horse. These discussions are endless. Networks having little IPv4 cry that the world around them is unfair. No, it isn't. Old LIRs are not responsible for having received more addresses in the past - based on the policies in force at the time. Minimum allocations used to be large and gradually decreased over time. Today's efforts to charge them are in reality just an attempt to punish them. But they just arrived earlier. And unlike some LIRs that have emerged recently, they were not created solely for the purpose of speculating with IPv4 addresses. And the only thing that will happen in reality, if we force start adresses to be returnet from these old LIRs due to "fair" fees, is that speculators will rush into any freed up space like locusts. We just repeat the same thing we experienced when dividing the last /8 - LIRs founded for the purpose of speculation begin to emerge. Even if it is limited to single resource per legal entity, it is not difficult to establish a shell company. You don't invent a policy that would prevent this. Any rule can be circumvented if there is some interest. You can't resurrect a dead horse, deal with it. And admins who don't want to learn new things and defending IPv6 deployment are just prolonging this agony. - Daniel On 5/29/25 11:24 PM, D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus wrote:
IPv6 is cheaper to implement, but the transition is a curse for admins. They don't understand it, because they only know 255. Companies should clean up their IPv4 networks. Fees should be fairer for members. We have costs that are rising with the maturity. Yes, perhaps a red line should be applied there. But we're all clear on this point, only because there is a membership charter, and it's not exactly fair.
We need to come up with a new fee structure that is fair to all members.