Hi fellow members,

RIPE is committed to treat members equally but can't provide each member with the resources they need (namely IPv4 space).

So this promise fails and we may want to compensate for that unfairness with an adjusted billing. We can come up with interesting charging schemes as discussed - I won't add on that topic. The situation would be less painful for some but still remain unfair.

What would be fair is to aim to go back to a situation where every member has access to the resources they need. As it is impossible to determine the exact number of resources a member really needs, we can't do anything fair about IPv4 space.

Except for one thing : getting rid of it. What we need is not IPv6 adoption, it is an IPv4 phase out plan. Without such a plan there is little incentive to stop using it.

The plan can start with RIPE making some services like LIR portal accessible IPv6-only, at start a few weeks a year then permanently. We can progressively add more services IPv6-only, financial incentives, promote "ipv6-only days", whatever.

But we need a date at which point root servers are ipv6-only, all data related to ipv4 is removed from the registry, and members agreed to stop forwarding ipv4 on public networks (and if there is no longer any source of truth about who is supposed to announce what it would be insecure to continue forwarding anyway).

However far in the future this date may be set, we need it to be set to make things move.

Some countries already have a plan (whole country for China and partial for Czech Republic if I'm right). IMO, we should focus on such a plan rather than relying on the charging scheme to address the issue. If we can do like these countries and aim for 2030-32 (!), then that's only a few years left of unfairness.

Hoping my input was worth your time reading, I wish all of you the best.

Alexis Hanicotte

VelumWare SARL

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 11:55 AM Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu@prebits.de> wrote:

Hi,

why should they return?

They sell them for 7500-8500€ for /24, where they only pay 50€ / year…

I would not return either…

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Am 14.01.2025 um 10:56 schrieb sdy@a-n-t.ru:

Ok! Friends if you did it (moving to IPv6) please return IPv4 to RIPE.
More people will be happy!
Why not?

+1

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Am 14.01.25, 08:55 schrieb "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>:
Hi,

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 06:01:41AM +0300,
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-- My decision IPV4 problem:

This is the problem. Stop being obsessed with IPv4, move to IPv6.

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