No, they want to pay the same tax when they have a huge mall and you have a small shack.
They have no argument to be made here, just gaslighting, misinformation campaigns and hijacking the conversation. 

On Sat, 31 May 2025, 13:01 Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS, <m.terzioglu@prebits.de> wrote:

Do you own any property? Then you’d know — you pay taxes to the state based on the size of the land and the structure built on it or location, etc.. You pay according to what you use.


Was it for nothing that I gave this example?

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Am 31.05.2025 um 11:30 schrieb Matthias Brumm <matthias@brumm.net>:

If you want or have to use IPv4 now, that would be the solution.

Why did I not buy a house ten years ago, it would have been cheaper as
today and I would have a permanent place to live.

These big real estate investors should give their properties to people
who want to start a family.

But unlike the housing crisis the IPv4 problem has the rather smart and
good working solution.

Matthias

Am Samstag, dem 31.05.2025 um 10:44 +0200 schrieb Murat Terzioglu |
PREBITS:
We are paying €1850 for a service we actively use — simply because
NCC doesn’t want to classify it as a ‘regular service’.

Meanwhile, others who hold hundreds of times more resources than we
do are generating commercial benefit from them — and in a completely
disproportionate way.

I became a member of this organization solely because of these
resources — because we are required to. The internet depends on them.

But am I truly on equal footing when it comes to accessing these
resources?
Especially compared to someone who happened to become a member 20
years ago?

I can already hear people saying, ‘Then just lease the resources from
a provider…

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Am 31.05.2025 um 10:11 schrieb Daniel Suchy via members-discuss
<members-discuss@ripe.net>:

I never said that the layered model would ruin RIPE. That's your
personal lie.

If we want to compare with other RIRs, we should not cherry-pick
just some aspects.  In a similar comparison, we must also take into
account the size of the budget and what the money is spent on and
where. It's not just about implementing a layered model and problem
is solved.

It is also true that each RIR lives in a slightly different legal
environment. And among other things, the tax implications of the
tiered model must also be well evaluated.

In our legal environment, tax authorities may assess the tiered
model as a provision of a service. Besides, it was an argument at a
time when the tiered model was abandoned in RIPE (which many have
already forgotten).

The argument that they have it that way in the US or Africa
probably won't hold up at all before the European (Dutch) tax
office. Non-profit organizations usually have some tax breaks. But
if the tax office determines that it is a regular service, the tax
breaks will disappear.

And from my perspective, a better solution is for the money to stay
in the community. Not in some government budget.

- Daniel


On 5/31/25 9:19 AM, Jean Salim wrote:
Please open an IPv6 transition thread and stop the disinformation
in this
thread.
Speaking of which, as pointed out hundred of times, all other
RIRs have
successfully implemented tiered charging schemes, some of them
with
weighted voting power, others not.
So stop misleading people by saying that tiered charging will
ruin RIPE
when it's been working fine at other RIRs.
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