If you want or have to use IPv4 now, that would be the solution.

Why did I not buy a house ten years ago, it would have been cheaper as
today and I would have a permanent place to live.

These big real estate investors should give their properties to people
who want to start a family.

But unlike the housing crisis the IPv4 problem has the rather smart and
good working solution.

Matthias

Am Samstag, dem 31.05.2025 um 10:44 +0200 schrieb Murat Terzioglu |
PREBITS:

We are paying €1850 for a service we actively use — simply because

NCC doesn’t want to classify it as a ‘regular service’.

Meanwhile, others who hold hundreds of times more resources than we

do are generating commercial benefit from them — and in a completely

disproportionate way.

I became a member of this organization solely because of these

resources — because we are required to. The internet depends on them.

But am I truly on equal footing when it comes to accessing these

resources?

Especially compared to someone who happened to become a member 20

years ago?

I can already hear people saying, ‘Then just lease the resources from

a provider…

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Am 31.05.2025 um 10:11 schrieb Daniel Suchy via members-discuss

<members-discuss@ripe.net>:

I never said that the layered model would ruin RIPE. That's your

personal lie.

If we want to compare with other RIRs, we should not cherry-pick

just some aspects. In a similar comparison, we must also take into

account the size of the budget and what the money is spent on and

where. It's not just about implementing a layered model and problem

is solved.

It is also true that each RIR lives in a slightly different legal

environment. And among other things, the tax implications of the

tiered model must also be well evaluated.

In our legal environment, tax authorities may assess the tiered

model as a provision of a service. Besides, it was an argument at a

time when the tiered model was abandoned in RIPE (which many have

already forgotten).

The argument that they have it that way in the US or Africa

probably won't hold up at all before the European (Dutch) tax

office. Non-profit organizations usually have some tax breaks. But

if the tax office determines that it is a regular service, the tax

breaks will disappear.

And from my perspective, a better solution is for the money to stay

in the community. Not in some government budget.

- Daniel

On 5/31/25 9:19 AM, Jean Salim wrote:

Please open an IPv6 transition thread and stop the disinformation

in this

thread.

Speaking of which, as pointed out hundred of times, all other

RIRs have

successfully implemented tiered charging schemes, some of them

with

weighted voting power, others not.

So stop misleading people by saying that tiered charging will

ruin RIPE

when it's been working fine at other RIRs.

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