Do I understand correctly that you are calling for rules that will retroactively affect previous allocations? Retroactivity is one of the basic things that I really can't imagine in a civilized legal world. Yes - someone was lucky to come first. So now we're going to punish them with something because others came? These debates remind me a bit of communist envy. The situation we have is not an "exploit". It's just a consequence of history. And of course, mistakes that just happened. You can't get back time. And among other things, one of the things that I think is that when you start pushing too hard on the saw, the water will be thrown out with the bathtub. You won't get new addresses cheaper. Even those who have had no reason to do so will start speculating with addresses in order to cover their own costs. Of course, this will be reflected in the prices for end customers, even where the (legacy) internet has not been cripled, and I assign public IPs to home connections as well. I understand the frustration of late arrivals. But that's life. If you come to the supermarket too late, there won't be any bread left for you. Starting to loot the homes of those who arrived earlier isn't a solution to the problem. And if the capacity of the bakery in the supermarket is objectively insufficient, a more efficient one needs to be built. And in this paraphrase, we all know very well what the better bakery is... And those who are blocking the launch of these new bakery because they stick to bread from the old oven are real frogs on the spring. They're the reason why second-hand markets make more money with bread than our supermarket. End of paraphrases. if you look at LIR, which're crying as much as they can... so they're in no hurry to implement IPv6 (some haven't even started their prefix propagation). The transition will not happen overnight by magic. Yes, these transitional phases are pain somewhat - and we have experienced this many times. But it's necessary not to cry and start. Any attempts to generate additional IPv4 addresses into RIR free pool are just a waste of time. You won't solve the problem, at most you'll postpone it for a while. It doesn't make sense. And all these debates about charging scheme changes are actually just attempts to get those legacy addresses. This is evident from many comments. Everyone thinking rationally knows that in a few years the transition will happen anyway and all IPv4 will be useless. The long-term sustainability of RIPE cannot be built on IPv4 allocations. Charging based on IPv4 allocation is only a short-term solution. - Daniel On 5/31/25 8:47 PM, D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus wrote:
Why is an old LIR allowed to exploit his membership like this?