Yes, with an unlimited budget, they operate very well. There’s no budget constraint. In the end, they can use whatever budget they want by simply referring to the formula “need / members”... Note important, if the member is de.telekom or the newest one. But i forgot i think, “THIS IS A MEMBER ORGANISATION”, isnt it… -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions Bochumer Str. 20 D-44866 Bochum Telefon: 0234/58825994 Telefax: 0234/58825995 www.prebits.de m.terzioglu@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902
Am 06.06.2025 um 10:48 schrieb Daniel Suchy via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
Hi,
RIPE worked and still works the same way and I don't see any fundamental problem with it. And I don't see something else. Just some subjective feeling.
But in this debate, I consider it a fundamental mistake to hide any argument behind the silent majority (and this argument is repeated). That is a false argument. if a real majority is dissatisfied, it will manifest itself differently.
Yes, RIPE provides additional services that other RIRs don't. But mostly here is the value - for the good of the internet. Atlas is an amazing project, which helps detect problems, to anyone. Running one DNS root instance also makes sense. RIPEstat is also useful for troubleshoting routing issues.
Policies in the region are determined not only by members, but by a much wider community. This allows non-members to participate. and I consider it a benefit that outside opinions can also enter the policy development process. There's no erosion in rights.
Perhaps a relevant debate is some (real) split. If some regions are not satisfied, why not separate them into another (their) organization. If there;s 5 or 6-7 RIRs - that's not a problem.
Of course, for RIPE, this would mean a decrease in income. And this may have an impact primarily on those services provided for the good of the internet. And of course this may lead to those who have "separated" from RIPE will lose access first. Or eventually the new RIR will start contributing himself to prevent it from happening.
But I honestly don't think that this idea about split would gain wider support. And even if I mention it here, I probably wouldn't support it.
TLDR: RIPE still works well... even though we may be dissatisfied with small details. but you can never satisfy everyone 100%.
- Daniel
On 6/5/25 11:38 AM, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: RIPE worked successfully for decades under its original mission, but data analysis shows a clear trend of member rights erosion and declining performance in key operational areas compared to other RIRs. The organization is not adapting well to current trends and challenges. Mission adjustment isn't about destroying RIPE's legacy - it's about ensuring its continued relevance and effectiveness in today's environment. Even other RIRs, while imperfect, are outpacing RIPE NCC in several critical areas.
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