December 2025 - members-discuss-unmoderated

Re: Consultation on Future RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Models
by Denys Fedoryshchenko 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

Dear RIPE NCC, After reviewing Phase 1 of the Charging Scheme Consultation, two issues stand out. First, the use of complex Excel spreadsheets as “interactive calculators” is frankly disappointing. In 2025, this approach reduces transparency, makes independent verification harder, and discourages meaningful analysis. I did in 30 minutes a simple web-based comparison that shows the same calculations more clearly and allows direct comparison with other RIR fee models (https://better-ripe.github.io/calculator2025/ ) [1] Second, the results raise a serious equity concern. Model B appears to consistently benefit very large resource holders while increasing the relative burden on small members. Compared with other RIRs, RIPE’s proposal looks less balanced and less fair, despite equity being stated as a core principle. I would like to understand how equity is being measured here, and why RIPE NCC seems comfortable with outcomes that so clearly favor large holders. This feedback is meant constructively, but the direction is worrying. On Mon, 2025-12-15 at 15:14 +0100, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote: > Dear RIPE NCC members, > We have opened Phase 1 of the Charging Scheme Consultation and invite > your feedback on two proposed models for the annual fee, which > represents the significant majority of the RIPE NCC’s income. > *What we are consulting on in Phase 1* The RIPE NCC’s income from > members consists of two parts - together > they make up the Membership Fee: > 1. Annual Fee - the main part of our income > > 2. Additional Fees - currently these are ASN fees, independent > assignment fees and other one-off charges > In Phase 1, our focus is only on the annual fee, because this is the > foundation of the Charging Scheme and the key element for our long- > term financial stability. > We are asking for your input on two possible annual fee models: > - Model A – Category-based model > - Model B – Formula-based model > For each model, we have published an explanation and an interactive > calculator so you can see how your annual fee would be calculated and > explore different scenarios based on your IPv4 and IPv6 holdings. > You can find the consultation details and the calculators at: > https://www.ripe.net/s/cs-model-consultation-phase-1/ > *What feedback we would like to hear* > At this stage, we are interested in how the models work in practice, > not in fixing the final revenue amount. > The figures you see are illustrative and not final. > We would particularly value your views on questions such as: > - Are there too many categories in Model A, or too few? > - Are the category boundaries appropriate > - Is a formula-based approach (Model B) preferable to a category- > based one? > > - Does the current formula setup make sense, or are there better > options? > > - Do the models adequately reflect the principles defined by the > Charging Scheme Task Force, especially the principle of equity? > > - Are there any issues you can see that we’ve overlooked? > Both models are still drafts. Your feedback now is essential before > we further develop the models. > Please share your input on the Members Discuss mailing list by the > end of January 2026. > We will of course follow discussions and we will address queries and > comments in early January after the holiday season. > *Next steps in the consultation* This consultation is part of a > three-phase process: > - Phase 1 (now): Consult on two annual fee models (A and B), with > calculators – published Dec 2025 > - Phase 2: Consult on separate fees (e.g. ASN and independent > resource fees) – planned for Jan/Feb 2026 > > - Phase 3: Publish a combined Charging Scheme proposal (Annual Fee + > separate fees) that incorporates member feedback from Phases 1 and 2 > – planned for April 2026 > The final Charging Scheme proposal will be presented for a vote at > the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2026. > I strongly encourage you to review the two models, use the > calculators, and share your perspective. Your participation is vital > in helping us develop a Charging Scheme that is stable, transparent > and equitable. > Kind regards, > Simon-Jan Haytink > Chief Financial Officer > RIPE NCC > > > ----- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription > options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ncc-announce.ripe.net/ > As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account > with the email matching your subscription before you can change your > settings. > More details at: > https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ [1] ) https://github.com/better-ripe/calculator2025

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De-activation Notice - members-discuss@ripe.net
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16 Dec '25

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16 Dec '25

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q1 2026
by Boris Duval 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning <https://www.ripe.net/support/documentation/quarterly-planning> We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Boris Duval

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q1 2026
by Boris Duval 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning <https://www.ripe.net/support/documentation/quarterly-planning> We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Boris Duval

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q1 2026
by Boris Duval 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning <https://www.ripe.net/support/documentation/quarterly-planning> We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Boris Duval Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Compliments Of The Season
by Mr. Andreas Christian Schneider 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

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FW: [ncc-announce] [news] Consultation on Future RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Models
by Babaei, Neda 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

________________________________ As a small LIR, cost predictability and affordability are critical for us. While Model A is simple and easy to understand, I am concerned that the current category boundaries could result in significant fee increases due to relatively small changes in IPv4 or IPv6 holdings. Such step changes may place disproportionate pressure on smaller members. Model B appears to better reflect the principle of equity, as fees scale more gradually with actual resource usage. However, it is important that the formula remains transparent and easy to understand for all members. I would encourage the RIPE NCC to carefully assess the impact of both models on small LIRs and to ensure that any new charging scheme does not unintentionally disadvantage smaller members. Maintaining a diverse membership base requires that smaller LIRs remain financially sustainable under the new model. Best regards, Neda From: Simon-Jan Haytink <simonjh(a)ripe.net<mailto:simonjh@ripe.net>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 5:45 PM To: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net<mailto:ncc-announce@ripe.net> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] Consultation on Future RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Models Dear RIPE NCC members, We have opened Phase 1 of the Charging Scheme Consultation and invite your feedback on two proposed models for the annual fee, which represents the significant majority of the RIPE NCC’s income. *What we are consulting on in Phase 1* The RIPE NCC’s income from members consists of two parts - together they make up the Membership Fee: 1. Annual Fee - the main part of our income 2. 3. 4. Additional Fees - currently these are ASN fees, independent assignment fees and other one-off charges In Phase 1, our focus is only on the annual fee, because this is the foundation of the Charging Scheme and the key element for our long-term financial stability. We are asking for your input on two possible annual fee models: - Model A – Category-based model - Model B – Formula-based model For each model, we have published an explanation and an interactive calculator so you can see how your annual fee would be calculated and explore different scenarios based on your IPv4 and IPv6 holdings. You can find the consultation details and the calculators at: https://www.ripe.net/s/cs-model-consultation-phase-1/ *What feedback we would like to hear* At this stage, we are interested in how the models work in practice, not in fixing the final revenue amount. The figures you see are illustrative and not final. We would particularly value your views on questions such as: - Are there too many categories in Model A, or too few? - Are the category boundaries appropriate - Is a formula-based approach (Model B) preferable to a category-based one? - Does the current formula setup make sense, or are there better options? - Do the models adequately reflect the principles defined by the Charging Scheme Task Force, especially the principle of equity? - Are there any issues you can see that we’ve overlooked? Both models are still drafts. Your feedback now is essential before we further develop the models. Please share your input on the Members Discuss mailing list by the end of January 2026. We will of course follow discussions and we will address queries and comments in early January after the holiday season. *Next steps in the consultation* This consultation is part of a three-phase process: - Phase 1 (now): Consult on two annual fee models (A and B), with calculators – published Dec 2025 - Phase 2: Consult on separate fees (e.g. ASN and independent resource fees) – planned for Jan/Feb 2026 - Phase 3: Publish a combined Charging Scheme proposal (Annual Fee + separate fees) that incorporates member feedback from Phases 1 and 2 – planned for April 2026 The final Charging Scheme proposal will be presented for a vote at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2026. I strongly encourage you to review the two models, use the calculators, and share your perspective. Your participation is vital in helping us develop a Charging Scheme that is stable, transparent and equitable. Kind regards, Simon-Jan Haytink Chief Financial Officer RIPE NCC

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De-activation Notice - members-discuss@ripe.net
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