my extremely crass view. cute pictures, but ... someone turned the lights out. how much time and energy are we going to put into measuring the base, diameter, screw pitch, ... of the flipping light bulb? they threw the bleedin' switch! what am i actually going to learn here? the issues are above layer seven. tarek kamel, a workshop student of mine in about '93, sold his sould to the devil years ago. the idea of him resisting the order is silly. i presume he has been removed, so we can not even hope he has the chance to redeem himself as things change. what are the implications of this class of government actions on us as operators? note that the american domain industrial complex caved to the clearly illegal request to block domain names without court orders. so do not be fooled that this is just an issue in openly repressive cultures. isoc seems to have made a policy statement. should the rirs? randy