Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
If it will be decided that the best solution to serve Russian speaking community is to create separate RIR (istead of employing some Russian speaking hostmasters at RIPE NCC, creating separate list like hostmaster-ru@ripe.net and so on),
While it's probably a good idea to continue the RIPE NCC tradition of employing staff from different regions and with diverse linguistic background, I do *not* agree that "splitting" the RIPE NCC along the lines of language(s) is useful. Btw, this statement is not to be seen as specifically aiming at the Russian language! The very same point holds true for say German or French or Spanish. What we want to preserve across the whole Internet and in particular amongst the registries, is exchange of information, sharing of knowledge and harmonisation of procedures. In the Internet of today, we happen to use the English language for that purpose. (...discussing the reasons for that is probably outside the scope of this discussion :-). Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB (&NIC) Handle: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
If it will be decided that the best solution to serve Russian speaking community is to create separate RIR (istead of employing some Russian speaking hostmasters at RIPE NCC, creating separate list like hostmaster-ru@ripe.net and so on),
If the so-called Russian speaking community is going to be a part of present-day Internet, that community has to learn English. Good it or bad, English is a kind of "international language", especially on the net. Why Luxembourgers doesn't ask RIPE to be served in Leutzebuergesch?... Anyone from Grand Duchy?
and harmonisation of procedures. In the Internet of today, we happen to use the English language for that purpose. (...discussing the reasons for that is probably outside the scope of this discussion :-).
Edgar
Well, apart from various theoretical speculations about the nature of the human mind and political power structures, I do not normally interest myself much with the former red block countries, but being an inhabitant of this mailing list, I have now followed this thread all the way. The discussion has dragged on far too long, and it must be about now that we can reach some kind of conclusions: 1. Various people/countries/ethnic groups from the former red block countries have very great distrust in each other. 2. Various people/countries/ethnic groups from the rest of the world have various levels of distrust in the ability of any group in the former red block countries to remain fair, unbiased and non-bribable in the face of 1. and the general situation(s) "over there". With that in mind, I think the most sensible thing is to continue to serve the entire former red block of countries from RIPE in Amsterdam because: A. If support in a particular language is needed in sufficient degree they can hire somebody with that language to do so. B. They are not in any way part in any of the uncountable conflicts of interest which plaque the former red block countries, and are consequently not likely to give preferential treatement. C. They have infrastructure, experience, tools and procedures in place already. D. They have a proven track record which is a lot better than the initial suspicion which will be leveled at any new registry. Lets have a show of hands, who couldn't live with this, and why ? Poul-Henning Kamp, from Denmark, who still remember when you had to stay up late in order to be able to call the SRI-NIC in their timezone and consequently doesn't see this as much of an issue anyway... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!"
The discussion has dragged on far too long, and it must be about now that we can reach some kind of conclusions:
And hopefully finish it!
1. Various people/countries/ethnic groups from the former red block countries have very great distrust in each other.
Yes. And there are reasons - no need to talk about them here and now, but there are sufficient reasons.
Lets have a show of hands, who couldn't live with this, and why ?
Confess, Moscow. Quocunque jeceris stabit. -edd
Why Luxembourgers doesn't ask RIPE to be served in Leutzebuergesch?... Anyone from Grand Duchy?
No, but as a Russian (albeit working in another country) I see no reason to not insist on English as the workinglanguage. It's the lingua franca for the internet, most operating syststems are based on some form of english shorthand for the commands, and frankly, at least up until theend of the communist era, there were more English language teachers per capita in Russia than there were in the U.S. (and most of them were better, too.....) Aleks
Hello... first of all, i want to mention, that we are not involved in any internet business in russia. We dont know how assigns domains, who is responsible for what etc.. But all statements on this list seem to me like a political problem, but because all know that this isnt a good reason to split RIPE, some are trying to find other arguments... We (de.seicom) dont consider language problems or time-zones justify to establish a new RIPE If we start this, some other countries will apply for a (X)RIPE with the same reason... BTW: Germany is raising and it would be much more easier to talk with a LIR in Germany in german language.. Frankfurt would be real central for germany, we have a good mc Donalds in the train station... I hope this are good reasons for establishing GRIPE in Germany (german Ripe). *sigh* ok nice joke... But please find real and good reasons why a new RIPE should be established in Moscow or somewhere else... I am boring to see all this boring mailings on this list. And if the russian LIR are not able to communicate in english language with the RIPE NCC in Amsterdam, and there are so much LIR from Russia, a hostmaster with the ability to speak russian should work in Amsterdam..:-) But i expect, that a fundamental knowledge of the english language is essential for internet business, whether you are from germany, france, spain, russia or from any other country... Winni --- Winfried Haug | SEICOM.DE & SCHWABEN.DE | Tel. +49 7121 9770- 0 Laiblinsplatz 12 | Internet+ISDN access & consulting | Fax. +49 7121 9770-19 72793 Pfullingen | Access in STGT + RT + TUE + BB + LB | Rack +49 7127 989-X haug@schwaben.net| 150*ISDN (64kb/X.75) / 100 * K56flex | Rack +49 711 9675-X haug@seicom.net |SAP-OSS * FTP * TELNET * NETNEWS * IRC | Rack +49 7121 709-X * 10 MBit DE-CIX * 2 MBit INXS * 3 MBit ecrc/ebone * 2 Mbit Belwue * 2 Mbit WIN
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