Hi I think alot of what has been said hold alot of water but lets not let the ideas get lost in the frustration. If you could hold your thoughts till the RIPE meeting the LIR working group in particular, then the May17th Task Force has a presentation with suggestions we would like the communty to adopt and would really go a long to solving hte current problems. -- Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Burley "If patience is a virtue, and ignorance is bliss, UUNET EMEA Hostmaster you can have a pretty good life [SB855-RIPE] if you're stupid and willing to wait" ------------------------------------------------------------------------