Action from RIPE 42: Sub-Allocations revisited
My first comment - BTW this is a well outlined. - All assignments from the Sub-Allocation are done by the Sub-LIR. The Sub-LIR is responsible to the LIR for following policies and procedures. The LIR is responsible to the RIR for making sure that the Sub-LIR follows the procedures. This is no big difference from what is being *done* now, it's just "officially documented". I feel the Sub-LIR should still be responsible to RIPE for approvals etc. Stephen Burley WorldCom EMEA Hostmaster SB855-RIPE
Hi, I have waited for a few days before responding, to wait for more comments, but nothing yet :-/ On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:33:50AM +0100, Stephen Burley wrote:
My first comment - BTW this is a well outlined.
- All assignments from the Sub-Allocation are done by the Sub-LIR. The Sub-LIR is responsible to the LIR for following policies and procedures. The LIR is responsible to the RIR for making sure that the Sub-LIR follows the procedures. This is no big difference from what is being *done* now, it's just "officially documented".
I feel the Sub-LIR should still be responsible to RIPE for approvals etc.
This is tricky, because the Sub-LIR has no contract with RIPE, so responsibility isn't easy. Also, this would mean added cost, I'd say. I'm not sure why you think it is necessary, though. If the LIR is responsible to RIPE for everything itself and the Sub-LIR does, and the LIR will run into problems with RIPE if "they do not keep their house in order", it's in their interest to make sure that the Sub-LIR does also do the right thing. Of course, the maximum assignment that any Sub-LIR does has to be inside the AW of the LIR - otherwise the LIR cannot approve it themselves or delegate responsibility, but has to go to RIPE for this assignment - whoever is requesting it. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 46812 (46611) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
Hi,
Hi,
I have waited for a few days before responding, to wait for more comments, but nothing yet :-/
Yes, I had also hoped for some comments..
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:33:50AM +0100, Stephen Burley wrote:
My first comment - BTW this is a well outlined.
- All assignments from the Sub-Allocation are done by the Sub-LIR. The Sub-LIR is responsible to the LIR for following policies and procedures. The LIR is responsible to the RIR for making sure that the Sub-LIR follows the procedures. This is no big difference from what is being *done* now, it's just "officially documented".
I feel the Sub-LIR should still be responsible to RIPE for approvals etc.
This is tricky, because the Sub-LIR has no contract with RIPE, so responsibility isn't easy. Also, this would mean added cost, I'd say.
I'm not sure why you think it is necessary, though.
If the LIR is responsible to RIPE for everything itself and the Sub-LIR does, and the LIR will run into problems with RIPE if "they do not keep their house in order", it's in their interest to make sure that the Sub-LIR does also do the right thing.
Of course, the maximum assignment that any Sub-LIR does has to be inside the AW of the LIR - otherwise the LIR cannot approve it themselves or delegate responsibility, but has to go to RIPE for this assignment - whoever is requesting it.
I agree with Gert, its the LIRs responsibility that the sub-LIR acts appropriately. I don't think that the LIR's AW is relevant for the sub-LIR, all assignments made by the sub-LIR has to be approved by the LIR, if the assignment is within the LIR's AW then there is no problem, if not, the LIR has to ask Ripe as with any other assignment larger than AW. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Christian Rasmussen Hosting manager, jay.net a/s Frederiksgade 7, 2., 1265 Kobenhavn K., Denmark Email: noc@jay.net Personal email: chr@jay.net Tlf./Phone: +45 3336 6300, Fax: +45 3336 6301 Produkter / Products: http://hosting.jay.net
Hi, On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:56:58PM +0200, Christian Rasmussen wrote:
Of course, the maximum assignment that any Sub-LIR does has to be inside the AW of the LIR - otherwise the LIR cannot approve it themselves or delegate responsibility, but has to go to RIPE for this assignment - whoever is requesting it.
I agree with Gert, its the LIRs responsibility that the sub-LIR acts appropriately.
I don't think that the LIR's AW is relevant for the sub-LIR, all assignments made by the sub-LIR has to be approved by the LIR, if the assignment is within the LIR's AW then there is no problem, if not, the LIR has to ask Ripe as with any other assignment larger than AW.
Actually, one of the points about this whole thing is that the Sub-LIR *is* permitted to do their own assignments - up to a maximum size that has to be negotiated between Sub-LIR and LIR (and the maximum size must not exceed the LIR's own AW, of course). That way, the Sub-LIR can do all the "regular" stuff completely on their own. If a "bigger" request comes in, the Sub-LIR forwards it to the LIR, and for a "very big" request, the LIR forwards to the RIR. Nevertheless: all this would be something optional. If a LIR does not *want* their Sub-LIR to have their own "Sub-AW", they do not *have* to give them one (so they would have to forward all requests to the LIR). Also, of course, the LIR does not *have* to do Sub-Allocations. This is strictly an option for LIRs that have "experienced resellers" (for example) that can be trusted to understand and follow the rules. It is expected that many LIRs will not ever need this. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 46812 (46611) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
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