RE: RIPE Hostmasters visiting LIRs
Hi Chaps, Now come along...it is *great* idea for RIPE to get to know what we do and how we do it. However, I am far from convinced that this is the way to do it! Of course there will be lobbying, of course there will be LIRs that will make an impression, and of course there is a real risk of compromising RIPE neutrality. Also, how would this be funded? Ok for the big(ger) guys, but how about us less big guys? Personally, I would like to have you guys get to know us better and so on - but I am not sure we can afford it! More thought required me thinks... Abbey Shasore A4U Net - Alpha Internet -----Original Message----- From: Sam Critchley [mailto:samc@UU.NET] Sent: 16 September 1999 16:01 To: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: RIPE Hostmasters visiting LIRs Hello, Recently a few colleagues and I have been talking about the way we interact with the people in the RIPE NCC when dealing with customer assignments (and some other matters). One of the things we thought could be beneficial is if Hostmasters had more experience of the kind of issues we in the ISP community face on a day-to-day basis. We thought it might be a good idea if some of the Hostmasters were able to visit an ISP and see how they work, meet the people they deal with and perhaps work alongside them for a period of time. With this in mind we first thought of inviting individual people to come and visit us, or perhaps addressing the NCC asking if this were possible. However, we soon realised that this would have neutrality implications, and that it could be damaging both to the RIPE NCC reputation and to ours, and that for this reason it was unlikely to be accepted by them. In the last week or so I've been in touch with people in several other LIRs here in the Netherlands on an informal basis, and we all seem to agree that, were visits made to multiple registries by multiple members of the staff of the NCC, then this would have fewer neutrality implications. It seems like there are several registries who would be happy to offer help with this if it has a potential benefit for all LIRs. I realise that this has been discussed in various forums before, but feel personally that we are now able to remove many of the barriers which might prevent it happening. Do other LIRs feel that this could be beneficial to everyone in the RIPE community? What do RIPE NCC staff themselves think about it? What kind of restraints do people feel should be placed upon any such scheme? How should it be organised? Should it be discussed at a meeting? Looking forward to any comments on the lir-wg mailing-list, Best wishes, Sam
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Abbey Shasore wrote: Please read ripe-154: RIPE NCC Local IR Training Policies The proper thing is for new LIRs to attend these workshops: http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/courselist.pl.cgi What should be required is that part of these workshops have time allocated for the LIRs to introduce themselves to the hostmasters and explain anything specific that they do differently. The LIR list at: http://www.ripe.net/lir/registries/indices/data/index.html is 208K in size! How many LIRs are there - 1000? How long would it take for the RIPE hostmasters to visit ALL of them? The logistics of having the hostmasters taking a traveling tour of Europe, Africa and the Middle East just doesn't make any sense. This should be handled during the training course that all LIRs should have to attend. -Hank
Hi Chaps,
Now come along...it is *great* idea for RIPE to get to know what we do and how we do it. However, I am far from convinced that this is the way to do it!
Of course there will be lobbying, of course there will be LIRs that will make an impression, and of course there is a real risk of compromising RIPE neutrality.
Also, how would this be funded? Ok for the big(ger) guys, but how about us less big guys? Personally, I would like to have you guys get to know us better and so on - but I am not sure we can afford it!
More thought required me thinks...
Abbey Shasore A4U Net - Alpha Internet
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Critchley [mailto:samc@UU.NET] Sent: 16 September 1999 16:01 To: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: RIPE Hostmasters visiting LIRs
Hello,
Recently a few colleagues and I have been talking about the way we interact with the people in the RIPE NCC when dealing with customer assignments (and some other matters). One of the things we thought could bebeneficial is if Hostmasters had more experience of the kind of issues we in the ISP community face on a day-to-day basis.
We thought it might be a good idea if some of the Hostmasters were able to visit an ISP and see how they work, meet the peoplethey deal with and perhaps work alongside them for a period of time. With this in mind we first thought of inviting individual people to come and visit us, or perhaps addressing the NCC asking if this were possible. However, we soon realised that this would have neutrality implications, and that it could be damaging both to the RIPE NCC reputation and to ours, and that for this reason it was unlikely to be accepted by them.
In the last week or so I've been in touch with people in several other LIRs here in the Netherlands on an informal basis, and we all seem to agree that, were visits made to multiple registries by multiple members of the staff of the NCC, then this would have fewer neutrality implications. It seems like there are several registries who would be happy to offer help with this if it has a potential benefit for all LIRs. I realise that this has been discussed in various forums before, but feel personally that we are now able to remove many of the barriers which might prevent it happening.
Do other LIRs feel that this could be beneficial to everyone in the RIPE community? What do RIPE NCC staff themselves think about it? What kind of restraints do people feel should be placed upon any such scheme? How should it be organised? Should it be discussed at a meeting?
Looking forward to any comments on the lir-wg mailing-list,
Best wishes,
Sam
Hank Nussbacher
Hank Nussbacher skrev:
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Abbey Shasore wrote:
Please read ripe-154: RIPE NCC Local IR Training Policies
The proper thing is for new LIRs to attend these workshops: http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/courselist.pl.cgi
What should be required is that part of these workshops have time allocated for the LIRs to introduce themselves to the hostmasters and explain anything specific that they do differently.
I fully agree with you on this. But i see the suggestion more like a way for RIPE to get an understanding of the actual day-to-day work a LIR has. And it could be hard to explain during a meeting or a training course. I visit would show this more clearly.
The LIR list at: http://www.ripe.net/lir/registries/indices/data/index.html is 208K in size! How many LIRs are there - 1000? How long would it take for the RIPE hostmasters to visit ALL of them?
This list has formly exploded in the last month. But the suggestion , as i saw it, is not based on that RIPE should visit everyone on this list.
The logistics of having the hostmasters taking a traveling tour of Europe, Africa and the Middle East just doesn't make any sense. This should be handled during the training course that all LIRs should have to attend.
This suggestion could be based on the LIRs that are willing to share the cost for RIPE to perform a visit to them. It would not be forced on anyone. Just give the chance for those who wish to discuss "LIR problems" on the home turf. But i think that alla the postings point on one important thing: The financing. If we could solve this without increasing the cost for all the LIRs, and do this within RIPEs budget, then this could be supported by many. Regards /Amar Telia Net
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