RE: SLA's needed !!! (Was: Re: ASN wait time)

Therefore, personally, I think it's time for us to start thinking how to set up SLA's between LIRs and RIPE NCC: let's define strict time boundaries for the first and later hostmaster answers to an IP/AS request. It doesn't matter whether it is 5, 7 or 14 days - but let's define them and abide by them. Also, an escalation procedure within RIPE NCC is needed (who to contact should a request get not processed - e.g. Registration services manager and higher), determine what happens should RIPE NCC fail to process a request within specified time (e.g. deduce XXX EUR from next year contribution fee for each day of delay).
That doesn't clear the problem. The lack of resources don't vanish if issues are escalated to managers and such. Or if they do vanish we have a problem with work-moral within hostmasters. There is a risk with this suggestion that service-time (SLA) would be different for different LIR's, and the LIR whose hostmaster yells out load will get serviced first. If we reduce the annual contribution fee when a request is not served within the SLA, we are only making things worse. RIPE NCC will then have even less money to correct the problem. Maybe we should try to give somekind of carrot to NCC. If IP/ASN request is served less than 5 working days give 100EUR extra contribution, if it is served in less than 2 working days give 200EUR. This is also an equal method, you cannot use money to buy SLA's. Jorma ---------------------------------------------------------- jorma.mellin@teliafi.net Development Manager ; CCIE#4185 Telia Finland Inc, Network Services

[delays] What about a more pragmatic solution: simplify the assignment procedure? E.g. we had a request for 8192 addresses. In this request, there was a subnet with 64 addresses marked as "reserved". There was subsequent discussion in several emails about those 0.8% of the total request which are mostly irrelevant for address space comsumption. This kind of evaluation is detached from reality. We all know that such a network cannot be planned two years ahead. At the time a new assignment is due, maybe in a year or so, the usage will be different from the requested one. But the honest solution to say "this is our rough plan and expected usage, but details may vary" is not allowed. What's the result of this strict bureaocratic way of handling things? Only that assignment requests are streamlined to RIPE guidelines, but not that address space is conserved. IMHO, introducing a bit of flexibility would not hurt the overall goal, but instead reduce workload on both RIPE and ISPs. Robert

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Jorma Mellin wrote:
If we reduce the annual contribution fee when a request is not served within the SLA, we are only making things worse. RIPE NCC will then have even less money to correct the problem.
True ... But I didn't mean ALL of us need to define SLA's! Aside of standard LIR categories (small, medium etc.) we can define different classes of service. So, if a LIR decides to have an SLA-bound agreement, it will pay N times more (N may be even 10 or 20) than a standard contribution fee, but will get guaranteed service. If RIPE NCC fails to provide service to those registries, they would pay penalties, which would be automatically deduced from the LIR contribution fee. All other registries should pay normal fees and get normal class of service (not SLA bound, no penalties for delays etc.). Does this sound better? ;-) Regards, Beri --------- Berislav Todorovic, Network Engineer --------- ------- KPNQwest N.V. - IP NOC (formerly EUnet NOC) ------- ---- Wilhelmina van Pruisenweg 78, 2595 AN Den Haag, NL ---- --- Phone: +31-70-379-3990; Mobile: +31-651-333-641 --- -- Email: beri@kpnqwest.net <=> beri@EU.net -- --- _ _ ____ _ .--. ____ ____ __/_ --- ----- /__/ /___/ /\ / / / | / /___/ /___ / ------ ------ _/ \_ / _/ \/ (__.\ |/\/ /___ ____/ (__. -----
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Berislav Todorovic
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Jorma Mellin
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Robert Kiessling