Re: Question Regarding Behaviour Of German Top Level Registry
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Date: Tuesday, 19-Dec-95 04:30 PM
From: Arnold Nipper \ Internet: (nipper@xlink.net) To: Max Gutberlet \ Internet: (mgutberlet@server.net4you. co.at)
DE-NIC is run by University of Karlsruhe as a three-year contract. DE-NIC acts as maintainer of the toplevel domain DE and still runs the last resort registry. Until Aug, 31th services were payed by the IV-DENIC and registration of a secondlevel domain had to come via an IV-DENIC member. Since Sep, 1st everyone can use services from DE-NIC on a cost basis calculated on
[ ... some lines deleted ... ] figures for
running the DE-NIC in 1995 and agreed upon by all IV-DENIC members.
But I DO NOT want a continous service form DE-NIC except 3 lines in their name server configuration file. EVERYTHING else is handled by us. Besides (I know this is impossible) but I would realy like to see the figures you mentioned. Here is a little calculation (remember we are talking maintenance not setup): Change of Name Server Address per year: 2 Amount of time for change in name server config: 5 min. each ---------------------------------------------- 10 Minutes (1/6 Hour) One Hostmaster Hour 150 US$ ---------------------------------------------- variable Costs 25 US$ Additional Costs per Entry 100% (should cover non technical tasks) non-variable Costs 100% (access to net, host cost a.s.o) ---------------------------------------------- accumulated Costs 75 US$ The RIPE Staff should have a better view on what a hostmaster hour is worth and how much Name-Server changes there are per domain and year. The 100% are from my good old economics professor at the university. Greetings Max Gutberlet -- ~\\|//~ -(o o)- +--------------------oOOOo--(_)--oOOOo---------------------+ | _ _ _ | | _ __ ___| |_| || | _ _ ___ _ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ __| || |_| | | |/ _ \| | | | | | | | | | __/ |_|__ _| |_| | (_) | |_| | | | |_| |_|\___|\__| |_| \__, |\___/ \__,_| | | |___/ | | http://www.net4you.co.at/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Max Gutberlet Address: NET4YOU | | NetMaster Net4You Ringmauergasse 8| | Tel.: +43-4242-257367 A-9500 Villach | | Fax.: +43-4242-257368 Carinthia | | email: M.Gutberlet@net4you.co.a Austria | +----------------------------------------------------------+
Date: Tuesday, 19-Dec-95 04:30 PM
From: Arnold Nipper \ Internet: (nipper@xlink.net) To: Max Gutberlet \ Internet: (mgutberlet@server.net4you. co.at)
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DE-NIC is run by University of Karlsruhe as a three-year contract. DE-NIC acts as maintainer of the toplevel domain DE and still runs the last resort registry. Until Aug, 31th services were payed by the IV-DENIC and registration of a secondlevel domain had to come via an IV-DENIC member. Since Sep, 1st everyone can use services from DE-NIC on a cost basis calculated on figures for running the DE-NIC in 1995 and agreed upon by all IV-DENIC members.
But I DO NOT want a continous service form DE-NIC except 3 lines in their name server configuration file. EVERYTHING else is handled by us.
Yes, you WANT continous service from them - at least you want a continously running name service. You want a part of the staff's time to do some work for you and so on. Brought down to a basic fact: This service costs money and somebody (and this means you :-) has to pay for it.
Besides (I know this is impossible) but I would realy like to see the figures you mentioned. Here is a little calculation (remember we are talking maintenance not setup):
Change of Name Server Address per year: 2 Amount of time for change in name server config: 5 min. each ---------------------------------------------- 10 Minutes (1/6 Hour) One Hostmaster Hour 150 US$ ---------------------------------------------- variable Costs 25 US$
Additional Costs per Entry 100% (should cover non technical tasks) non-variable Costs 100% (access to net, host cost a.s.o)
---------------------------------------------- accumulated Costs 75 US$
The RIPE Staff should have a better view on what a hostmaster hour is worth and how much Name-Server changes there are per domain and year. The 100% are from my good old economics professor at the university.
You'd better not bring in your economics professor here :-) He'd only prove what you left out in your calculation Anyway, you demand a service that simply costs money and because of your organization is not a member of IV DE-NIC you pay the same price as any other non-IV DE-NIC-customer. You are still free to ask any of the 8 Big ISP's in germany if they are willing to organize the domain for you. Your RIPE membership does not count on behold of this matter. Rainer Bieniek
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