From: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear)
But Tony, even if one declares oneself an ISP, it's not clear to me they should be treated any differently. They should still go upstream to get addresses, unless and only unless there is no upstream (read PAID provider).
But the current rules don't always support doing that. We can't get addresses from our upstream paid provider (AlterNet) because we're geographically located in RIPE territory while our Internet connection goes into InterNIC territory. Is this common? It doesn't really make a lot of sense since our geographic location has nothing to do with our network location. And that's not likely to change, since there's no likelihood of there being a regional network in this part of the word anytime in the foreseeable future, and it's cheaper to get an international link to the US than it is to Europe, even though the latter is geographically closer. -- John W. Temples, III || Providing the only public access Internet Gulfnet Kuwait || site in the Arabian Gulf region
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 12:32:06 +0300 (GMT) From: john@gulfa.kuwait.net (John W. Temples) Message-ID: <m0sCOPe-0001zUC@gulfa.kuwait.net> But the current rules don't always support doing that. The rules are going to have to be changed. For addresses to be able to be aggregated, they must reflect topology, not geography. Geography is only useful where it happens to co-incide with the topology. kre
john@gulfa.kuwait.net (John W. Temples) writes:
But the current rules don't always support doing that. We can't get addresses from our upstream paid provider (AlterNet) because we're geographically located in RIPE territory while our Internet connection goes into InterNIC territory. Is this common? It doesn't really make a lot of sense since our geographic location has nothing to do with our network location. And that's not likely to change, since there's no likelihood of there being a regional network in this part of the word anytime in the foreseeable future, and it's cheaper to get an international link to the US than it is to Europe, even though the latter is geographically closer.
This is indeed an artifact of geographic thinking in current rules. It does not hurt too much because it mainly applies to providers who will be allocated reasonably sized blocks anyways (/19 or larger in your case) an who are most likely to eventually interconnect locally too. I agree this seems far off for your particular case now, but so it seemed for many others in the past who are now multi-homed. Daniel
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