Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

19 Feb 1998

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From: Andrew Stesin <stesin@gu.net>
To: Sergey A. Mukhin <violet@rosnet.net>
Cc: lir-wg@ripe.net; ncc@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 3:30 PM
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Sergey A. Mukhin wrote:
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On the other hand there is a tendency to a fast growing number
of LIRs in the fSU countries and it might make sense for RIPE
itself to establish its office or RIR for those who agree
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  "Office" -- no problem, but not "RIR"!  How can RIPE
  establish a RIR without an agreement in the community
  of the region served?  RIR creation should be
  initiated by the representative community, not RIPE,
  or am I missing something?
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to be served there to get load off the main office. ( Not a
business of mine, I agree. ) Consider the size of fSU region.
fSU is not a region.  Please use non-political
  but geographical terms for defining region borders.
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A> 	Who else rises the hand?  Mr. Alexey Platonov (Moscow,
A> 	RosNIIROS), and Mr. Anatoly Kramer (Moscow, ??? -- who
A> 	doesn't even aware of what e-mail is, AFAIK) -- two men,
A> 	two Russian semi-governmental organisations, each wants
A> 	to establish a "big registry" in Moscow, and to extend the scope
A> 	of this RIR to adjucent countries, taking away any choice
A> 	of where to be served from those countries.
Well, and who was 'contra' except Ukraine?
Ok, but who was present but Russia and Ukraine?
  Russia was "pro", Ukraine was "contra".
  1:1
Futher developments on the statistics. If anyone tries to sort out
opinions expressed in the discussion he or she should come up with
interesting results - the huge majority participating in this mailing list
are explicitly against, including LIRs not only in the FSU area, but LIRs
in other European countries. Here is the vote!
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awaiting for votes "contra". There were no more "contra" yet.
ripe-167 is way too unclear for everyone to get its
  main ideas in a moment.
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Any people decide most ( or all ) of their own problems theirselves.
A> 	This statement of yours contradicts directly with the
A> 	approach of ripe-167 document.
I am afraid you mistreat the approach.
I'm afraid that ripe-167 is just very unclear and uncertain
  at this point.
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But sometimes it is better to unite to get the solutions easier.
A> 	Would you mind explaining the benefits of uniting with you, please.
A> 	(Let's note that this last statement of yours has nothing close
A> 	to ripe-167's content at all).  No offense: friendship and
A> 	union are different things, aren't they?
I meant benefits of uniting .(point)
There are some benefits and some losses...
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If you suppose uniting of 
everybody but us, that sounds a bit odd, does not it?
I don't like the idea of *any* union with *anyone* until
  it will be though out carefully in all the details
  and everything will be obvious, certain and clear.
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A> 	Pretty simple: some people here in Ukraine (me among them)
A> 	have a strong feeling that some Moscow guys want to "unite"
A> 	us with them without taking our opinion into attentions.
I am afraid I would never understand such a point of view. We declare
free choice for all.
Would you mind pointing me at the written document where
  one can get a clear and certain statement of this?
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I meant just the following effect of the Soviet Union: 6 years are
not enough for a new generation who knows English rather than
Russia; not enough to get old communications completely changed.
Please leave alone this old crap about English/Russian
  language.  If you are a LIR (and RIR serves LIRs) you
  ought to know English, point.  If you don't know
  English, you are the customer of a LIR where staff
  is more knowlegeable.
I would suggest that the language problem should be removed at all as the
irrelevant issue. Everybody knows, regardless of whatever they say, that
the usage of English is inevitable. Apart from sending requests to the
hostmaster@ripe.net every tech person at any LIR should maintain some
objects in the database themselves using the auto-dbm@ripe.net. What
language are you supposed to use when submiting requests to a database
which, by the way, must be accessible and readable from anywhere in the
World?
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Agreed?
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Sergey A. Mukhin			|    violet@rosnet.net
    Network Administrator		|    http://violet.rosnet.net/
    Russian Telecommunications Network	|    Tel: + 7 095 206 62 15
    Moscow, Russia			|	  + 7 095 755 85 88

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Best regards,
Andrew Stesin
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