Management of the working group
Dear lir-wg, as just expressed at the wg meeting, I think it is appropriate to suggest some formalities for the wg to elect its chairs. My proposal is as following: 1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist 2) Optional discussion and support statements 3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg meeting in Bologna. 3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or by secret ballot if demanded by one or more participants at the meeting 3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg after the election result have been duly counted by a counting team from the audience. 4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the community support to the wg chairs. As the meeting expressed support towards such an idea, I would like to hear the opinions of the wg on theese matters before proceeding. Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
Hi Hans Petter, generally looks like a very good scheme to me. some detailed remarks below. On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Dear lir-wg, as just expressed at the wg meeting, I think it is appropriate to suggest some formalities for the wg to elect its chairs.
My proposal is as following:
1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist 2) Optional discussion and support statements
3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg meeting in Bologna.
3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or by secret ballot if demanded by one or more participants at the meeting. Each LIR has one vote.
3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg after the election result have been duly counted by a counting team from the audience. what if there is no consensus?: I suggest the reverse:
3c) The results of the election is sent to the mailing list. If at least 10 LIRs are not satisfied with the outcome, they can state this via email within three weeks and a new election is done at the next meeting.
4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the community support to the wg chairs.
As the meeting expressed support towards such an idea, I would like to hear the opinions of the wg on theese matters before proceeding.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
best regards/Frode ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen phone: +44 20 7769 8410 Ebone mobile: +44 79 6879 9115 151 Shaftesbury Ave. fax: +44 20 7769 8084 London WC2H 8AL United Kingdom email: frode.greisen@ebone.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Each LIR has one vote.
This needs to be limited so that one company with multiple LIR's don't have a way to sway the vote. [COLT has 12 LIR's as an example]. Neil.
Agree exactly. We have several also around Europe. robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net [mailto:owner-lir-wg@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Neil J. McRae Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:24 PM To: Frode Greisen; Hans Petter Holen Cc: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: RE: Management of the working group
Each LIR has one vote.
This needs to be limited so that one company with multiple LIR's don't have a way to sway the vote. [COLT has 12 LIR's as an example]. Neil.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Frode Greisen wrote:
Hi Hans Petter,
generally looks like a very good scheme to me. some detailed remarks below.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Dear lir-wg, as just expressed at the wg meeting, I think it is appropriate to suggest some formalities for the wg to elect its chairs.
My proposal is as following:
1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist 2) Optional discussion and support statements
3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg meeting in Bologna.
3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or by secret ballot if demanded by one or more participants at the meeting. Each LIR has one vote.
This is an open forum, it is not tied to RIPE ncc membership, and it should also never be ... Regards, Andre
3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg after the election result have been duly counted by a counting team from the audience.
what if there is no consensus?: I suggest the reverse:
3c) The results of the election is sent to the mailing list. If at least 10 LIRs are not satisfied with the outcome, they can state this via email within three weeks and a new election is done at the next meeting.
4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the community support to the wg chairs.
As the meeting expressed support towards such an idea, I would like to hear the opinions of the wg on theese matters before proceeding.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
best regards/Frode ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen phone: +44 20 7769 8410 Ebone mobile: +44 79 6879 9115 151 Shaftesbury Ave. fax: +44 20 7769 8084 London WC2H 8AL United Kingdom email: frode.greisen@ebone.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
OK, I buy the arguments of Neil and Andre. Of course there is always the risk of one company sending a large group and hijacking the process which is easier with a formal vote than with rough consensus. But I guess for simplicity it then has to be one person one vote. Frode On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Andre Koopal wrote:
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Frode Greisen wrote:
Hi Hans Petter,
generally looks like a very good scheme to me. some detailed remarks below.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Dear lir-wg, as just expressed at the wg meeting, I think it is appropriate to suggest some formalities for the wg to elect its chairs.
My proposal is as following:
1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist 2) Optional discussion and support statements
3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg meeting in Bologna.
3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or by secret ballot if demanded by one or more participants at the meeting. Each LIR has one vote.
This is an open forum, it is not tied to RIPE ncc membership, and it should also never be ...
Regards,
Andre
3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg after the election result have been duly counted by a counting team from the audience.
what if there is no consensus?: I suggest the reverse:
3c) The results of the election is sent to the mailing list. If at least 10 LIRs are not satisfied with the outcome, they can state this via email within three weeks and a new election is done at the next meeting.
4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the community support to the wg chairs.
As the meeting expressed support towards such an idea, I would like to hear the opinions of the wg on theese matters before proceeding.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
best regards/Frode ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen phone: +44 20 7769 8410 Ebone mobile: +44 79 6879 9115 151 Shaftesbury Ave. fax: +44 20 7769 8084 London WC2H 8AL United Kingdom email: frode.greisen@ebone.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess you need to be careful on a per company or group basis as we have several LIR's around Europe but all under the same company. You would not want one person per separate LIR in each country voting on the same issue as the company would probably have the same view. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net [mailto:owner-lir-wg@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Frode Greisen Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:48 PM To: Andre Koopal Cc: Hans Petter Holen; lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: Management of the working group OK, I buy the arguments of Neil and Andre. Of course there is always the risk of one company sending a large group and hijacking the process which is easier with a formal vote than with rough consensus. But I guess for simplicity it then has to be one person one vote. Frode On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Andre Koopal wrote:
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Frode Greisen wrote:
Hi Hans Petter,
generally looks like a very good scheme to me. some detailed remarks below.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Dear lir-wg, as just expressed at the wg meeting, I think it is appropriate to suggest some formalities for the wg to elect its chairs.
My proposal is as following:
1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist 2) Optional discussion and support statements
3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg meeting in Bologna.
3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or by secret ballot if demanded by one or more participants at the meeting. Each LIR has one vote.
This is an open forum, it is not tied to RIPE ncc membership, and it should also never be ...
Regards,
Andre
3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg after the election result have been duly counted by a counting team from the audience.
what if there is no consensus?: I suggest the reverse:
3c) The results of the election is sent to the mailing list. If at least 10 LIRs are not satisfied with the outcome, they can state this via email within three weeks and a new election is done at the next meeting.
4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the community support to the wg chairs.
As the meeting expressed support towards such an idea, I would like to
hear the opinions of the wg on theese matters before proceeding.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
best regards/Frode ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen phone: +44 20 7769 8410 Ebone mobile: +44 79 6879 9115 151 Shaftesbury Ave. fax: +44 20 7769 8084 London WC2H 8AL United Kingdom email: frode.greisen@ebone.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear lir-wg, We need to wrap up and conclude this process. I suggest the following: - As there was no substatial comments to the overall otuline of this process, we should go ahead, but discuss the details at the next meeting. - As this is a procedure for the lir-wg, an open forum, where RIPE NCC association membership have not been a prerequisite to participate, influence or vote I do not find it appropriate to include suggestions that either specifies how many votes pr LIR. - I have taken the liberty to keep the original formulation, to be confirmed by consensus at the meeting, which is equivalent to the way we elect AC members (we dont' realy need different procedures for such simmilar elections) - I have added a 5th clause on how we bring this procedure into operation, which would in my opinion take care of Frode Greisens concern, but would also make it clear that if elected at one meeting, you serve as chair until the next election. I therefor suggest that we get to the real issue here: nominations. | My proposal is as following: | 1) Open nominations on the lir-wg mailinglist | 2) Optional discussion and support statements | | 3) Election of chair and 1-2 co chairs at the next lir-wg | meeting in Bologna. | | 3b) The election to be performed either open ballot or | by secret ballot if demanded by one or more | participants at the meeting | | 3c) The election to be confirmed by consensus by the wg | after the election result have been duly counted by a | counting team from the audience. | | 4) That we perform such an election annualy to ensure the | community support to the wg chairs. 5) This procedure will be ut into effect when 5a) The terms of the chair and co chairs expire 5b) A number of 10 participants in the lir-wg representing diverse interests (not from the same LIR or Organisation demand so on the lir-wg mailinglist. Best Regards, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg chair
With reference to my previous mails on the topic Subject: Re: Management of the working group I hereby call for nominations to wg-chair and co-chairs. Please nominate yourself to lir-wg@ripe.net. If nominated by somebody else, the candidate needs to accept the nomination. Nominations accepted all the way until the election at the next meeting. Best Regards, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg Chair
"Hans Petter Holen" wrote:
With reference to my previous mails on the topic Subject: Re: Management of the working group I hereby call for nominations to wg-chair and co-chairs.
Please nominate yourself to lir-wg@ripe.net.
If nominated by somebody else, the candidate needs to accept the nomination.
I'd like to nominate Hans Petter Holen for wg-chair. James
"Hans Petter Holen" wrote:
I hereby call for nominations to wg-chair and co-chairs.
Please nominate yourself to lir-wg@ripe.net.
It has been suggested that I might like to act as a lir-wg co-chair. I am prepared to put myself forward for that role. Regards, James -- James Aldridge, Senior Network Engineer (IP Architecture) KPNQwest, Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL GSM: +31 653 708 707
participants (6)
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Andre Koopal -
Frode Greisen -
Hans Petter Holen -
James Aldridge -
Neil J. McRae -
Robert Ward