Re: Address space for individuals
On Sun, 22 May 1994 23:07:50 +0200 (MET DST) you said:
Hank, I feel you are really mixing up two issues:
- DNS registration
- IP registry of last resort
It is really difficult to see where the large cost factor is in the first case (if I counted correctly co.il contains 91 domains, really peanuts from a resource usage point of view).
In the second case, real personel costs -do- exist, since a lot of applicants will expect free consulting and will argue end- lessly about how much address space they need using up personel time (and nerves).
Simon
In my case it is the opposite. The large personnel costs are for DNS rather than for IP. Those that connect have no idea what DNS is, none whatsoever about bind, nameservice, primary and secondary nameservers, how to structure their own internal domain space, etc. I have had lots of Novell networks wanting connectivity and then you need to explain to them about LAN Workplace for DOS, LAN Workgroup or Netwire IP and how each fits into the DNS way of things. The personnel time is roughly 5:1 for DNS vs IP allocation in my country. Hank
Hank writes:
In my case it is the opposite. The large personnel costs are for DNS rather than for IP. Those that connect have no idea what DNS is, none whatsoever about bind, nameservice, primary and secondary nameservers, how to structure their own internal domain space, etc. I have had lots of Novell networks wanting connectivity and then you need to explain to them about LAN Workplace for DOS, LAN Workgroup or Netwire IP and how each fits into the DNS way of things. The personnel time is roughly 5:1 for DNS vs IP allocation in my country.
I really don't see the need for the large amount of consulting in the case of DNS, give them a name and if they can't use it properly that is -really- their problem (this doesn't work in the case of IP addresses, since the size of the allocation has to be determined based on ther technical plans of the applicant). Simon
poole@eunet.ch wrote:
Hank writes:
In my case it is the opposite. The large personnel costs are for DNS rather than for IP. Those that connect have no idea what DNS is, none whatsoever about bind, nameservice, primary and secondary nameservers, how to structure their own internal domain space, etc. I have had lots of Novell networks wanting connectivity and then you need to explain to them about LAN Workplace for DOS, LAN Workgroup or Netwire IP and how each fits into the DNS way of things. The personnel time is roughly 5:1 for DNS vs IP allocation in my country.
I really don't see the need for the large amount of consulting in the case of DNS, give them a name and if they can't use it properly that is -really- their problem (this doesn't work in the case of IP addresses,
Strongly disagree. Doing so DNS performance would really be bad. Think of all the ROOTs coming up ...
since the size of the allocation has to be determined based on ther technical plans of the applicant).
We had lot of discussion about that within the DE-NIC steering-financing committee. We finally decided to give every one a free shot. If the applicant sent in a detailed technical plan justifying the requested address space, it's fine. Otherwise the templates are sent back with addresses where he/she may buy consultancy.
Simon
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Arnold Nipper <nipper@xlink.net> writes:
We had lot of discussion about that within the DE-NIC steering-financing committee. We finally decided to give every one a free shot. If the applica nt sent in a detailed technical plan justifying the requested address space, i t's fine. Otherwise the templates are sent back with addresses where he/she may buy consultancy.
Who gets on that list?
poole@eunet.ch writes:
I really don't see the need for the large amount of consulting in the case of DNS, give them a name and if they can't use it properly that is -really- their problem (this doesn't work in the case of IP addresses, since the size of the allocation has to be determined based on ther technical plans of the applicant).
I agree with Simon (and disagree with Arnold). For a *registry* it is quite OK to give out a name and delegate it only if the servers for the zone are OK. This needs some checking which is work. But I would not advocate the registry to also do consulting. The ISP should do the consulting. This may mean that delegations to badly operated servers may be revoked. Interesting..... Daniel
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