Rimas Janusauskas wrote:

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If Russia want to establish new RIR, which (according to authors of the document) could solve specific problems, let them do it! If any country want to join Russian RIR, we have no right to contradict - it's their choise.

You are not right. Internet is worldwide, but people in some countrieshave only restricted Internet conectivity - there is a censorship on Internet in some countries. In some countries, religion is censoring, in others it is sex. There are countries where Internet is accessible only for designated group of citizens.

If we keep silence, we could live to only restricted connectivity in our country in the future, too.

Democracy brought to me not only the possibility to buy tropical fruits, but especially if I wish to connect to the Internet, I may send my requirements to Amsterodam - without any permission from Moscow.

Unfortunately there is no law of nations for Internet like the Geneva Convention. There are no human rights for Internet. The Internet is based on keeping the word only.

It is necessary to be very careful if one wants to delegate authority to countries without democracy traditions. In that case, there is the

Libor, Actually what you are saying doesn't contradict to what Rimas has said. All he said was that no one country can make a decision [to join the Russian RIR] on behalf of another country. On the other hand, you are absolutely right, we can't compromise a censorship on Internet. Best Regards, Moudrick Dadashov DB Systems, Ltd. - EUnet LITHUANIA -----Original Message----- From: Libor Dostalek <dostalek@pvt.net> To: Rimas Janusauskas <rimas@taide.lt> Cc: Andrew Stesin <stesin@gu.net>; ncc@ripe.net <ncc@ripe.net>; lir-wg@ripe.net <lir-wg@ripe.net> Date: 1998 m. Vasaris 10 d. 11:35 Subject: Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting possibility to

create areas with resticted Internet access. For example, the areas with restricted Internet access could be created for rebulic fighting for Independecy.

Mr. Andrew Stesin informs European Internet Community of his impressions from Moscow meeting. I think, his doubts are well-founded. For example, the main reason for establishing RIR in CIS are the time zone differences (I know this problem. Time zone differences are unpleasant. It's quite normal in e-mail correspondence between Europa and America, to exchange 1 mail daily only due to time differences). Reading RIPE-167, I expected establishing LIR office for example in Novosibirsk and not in Moscow. Between Moscow and Amsterodam there is only 2 hours time difference. I do not understand the attempt to establish the LIR in Moscow, when RIPE NCC is the best office in the World.

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On the other hand, nobody could compel 18 Ukrainian LIRs (as well as Georgian, Moldavian, Chinese etc.) to be served by RosNIIROS instead of RIPE NCC.

China can't be served by RIPE, China is served by Asia Pacific NetworkInformatin Center (look at http://www.apnic.net).

Libor Dostalek The Czech Republic