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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:52:45 -0400 (EDT) owl@owlsnest.com wrote:
Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?
Can someone fix this list so that only members can post to it? I can't believe that someone spammed every ISP in Europe :-) Talk about instant filter lists :-) [and a UUnet customer! [gee what a surprise!]] Cheers, Neil. -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking. C O L T I N T E R N E T neil@COLT.NET Ascend GRF: 100% CpF [Cisco protection Factor] Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">computer!</A>

At 18:52 04-09-97 -0400, owl@owlsnest.com wrote:
Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?
May I humbly suggest that the appropriate person take whatever legal action that required against this organisation. Not only have they been harrassing individuals with their unsolicited commercial E-mail, based on adresses obtained from Internic and RIPE databases - now they are even using our own infrastructure to colport their crap. I'm usually not a "hang 'em!" type of person - but this time I've had enough. Rgds. -- Mads Westermann | Produktionsvej 8 | Internet Manager | DK-2600 Glostrup | Put brain into gear Azlan Scandinavia | Tel. +45 4492-9600 | before engaging e-mail: wes@azlan.net | Fax. +45 4492-6393 | mouth!

I completely agree with your viewpoint but the problem is that it will be difficult to take a legal action against this organization and win. I think RIPE's legal counselor may inform us about the possibility of such an action? Thank you, Edgar
May I humbly suggest that the appropriate person take whatever legal action that required against this organisation.

Well, Let's consider that this domain (owlsnest.com) has got the first prize : a No talk access to the SMTP port of my machine ! Paul Dans son message (In his/her message), Edgar Danielyan ecrivait (wrote) :
I completely agree with your viewpoint but the problem is that it will be difficult to take a legal action against this organization and win. I think RIPE's legal counselor may inform us about the possibility of such an action?
Thank you, Edgar
May I humbly suggest that the appropriate person take whatever legal action that required against this organisation.
Paul Rolland, rol@oleane.net OLEANE SA/Service Technique/Directeur Technique Adjoint OLEANE SA/Technical Service/Deputy Technical Manager -- Support technique et operationnel Oleane : support@oleane.net Test du mail : ping@oleane.net Please no MIME, I don't read it - Pas de MIME, je ne le lis pas Please no HTML, I'm not a navigator - Pas d'HTML, je ne suis pas un navigateur "I hope some day you'll join us, and the world would be as one" - J. Lennon

I completely agree with your viewpoint but the problem is that it will be difficult to take a legal action against this organization and win. I think RIPE's legal counselor may inform us about the possibility of such an action?
May I humbly suggest that the appropriate person take whatever legal action that required against this organisation.
You're probably right about the difficulty of legal action. How about using peer pressure among ISPs, though? Suppose there was a URL where, each week/month, a list of the top 20 abusers of the Internet, giving the ISP they came from, were published? Maybe this is already being done? Some advantages of this approach: 1. Peer pressure can be effective cf CIDR deployment. 2. It encourages (ante-factum) deterrence as distinct from (post-factum) retribution. 3. It offers a means of measuring the amount of idiocy on the Internet, as against the amount of information. It is suspected that the rate of growth of the former exceeds that of the latter. 4. It doesn't (explicitly) involve lawyers and legal costs. Mike Norris

From "RIPE NCC Activities & Expenditure 1998" to be published later this afternoon:
C2.1 Mailing List Management Goal: The mailing lists maintained by the RIPE NCC have a history of constructive and concise dis- cussions on issues of import to the RIPE commu- nity. Mailing list maintainers are facing new challenges ranging from unsolicited messages (spam) to increased size and usage of lists. This activity is intended to maintain the qual- ity of the mailing lists in the face of increased usage and new challenges. This serves to facilitate discussion and consensus forming in the RIPE community. Description: The RIPE NCC will maintain high quality mailing lists for exchanging information among members of the RIPE community. Effort will be spent to prevent spam (unsolicited advertising) on the lists, to improve the quality of the address lists in order to minimize bounces, and to sup- port subscribers with problems. The processing of mailing list traffic will be constantly mon- itored. ____________________________________________________ ripe-162.txt Page 30

Not only have they been harrassing individuals with their unsolicited commercial E-mail, based on adresses obtained from Internic and RIPE databases - now they are even using our own infrastructure to colport their crap.
I suggest that RIPE should call the Internic and ask them to discontinue that domain. -- Dott. Giuliano C. Peritore Panservice InterNetWorking E-Mail: g.peritore@panservice.it Centro Comm. Latinafiori Phone: +39/773/410020 Torre 8 - Sc. B - Int. 4 Via Pier Luigi Nervi snc WWW: http://www.panservice.it I-04100 Latina - Italy
participants (8)
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Daniel Karrenberg
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edd@computer.org
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Giuliano C. Peritore
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Mads Westermann
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Mike Norris
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Neil J. McRae
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owl@owlsnest.com
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Paul Rolland