I agree with alain, I am also an ISP and I have many customers that require one IP address for their web server, so how to manage these requests. For the moment I think that I have to assign my first customer who is waiting for his web address since the beginning of January, a full IP Network number!! Do you have any other idea on how to do it? Regards, Therese

From ripe.net!owner-local-ir Tue Jan 23 22:58:39 1996 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:27:25 -0600 (CST) From: Alain Golan <alain@NetVision.net.il> To: Carol Orange <orange@ripe.net> Cc: local-ir@ripe.net Subject: Re: ripe-104++ Mime-Version: 1.0

There is an increasing number of entities requiring very small address space, I.E.

- One address for a router - One address for a Web-Server - One address for a firewall - up to 5 additional addresses for "other purposes".

In such cases, they will be allocated 8 or 16 addresses, ( netmask 240 or 248 ).

Requesting written "Additional information" or justification , from the customer for a first allocation of 16 PA address space, make us (LIR) a bit ridiculous, and is overloading.

A telephone conversation like:

LIR - Helo Mr Joe,

Joe - Helo NetProvider

LIR - I understand that you are connecting to our services, and would like to setup addresses for You, what do you plan to connect to the Internet ?

Joe - Oh, I'll be running a web site for our skate-boards factory.

LIR - And, are you going to connect other computers to the net ?

Joe - not now, maybe next year I'll setup a mail gateway to our novell mail system.

LIR - Anything else in mind for the next two years ?

Joe - no, the administration don't want our internal network connected to the internet for security reasons.

LIR - Do you understand that I will allocate you 6 addresses, and that if you change your mind, and need more, you will have to change the addresses of those 6 hosts ?

Joe - Yes, but actualy it's only the web ... it's okay !

LIR - Is your company connected or connecting the Internet somewhere else ?

Joe - no, we don't have offices anywhere else.

LIR - Thanks.

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Such a convertation is more realistic and saving more address space than sending the requested-info form.

-If Joe had filled the form, he would have probably asked for more than 8 addresses.

-For Joe to fill the form, LIR should have:

- Faxed explanation documents in addition to the person template. - spent a lot of time explaining what are the fields.

It seems reasonable to me that if a request meet the following: 1) FIRST - First address allocation for this entity 2) PA - Provider Agregate 3) Less or equal to 8 (or 16 ?) ip addresses limit. 4) Connecting to the internet immediatly.

The address space will be allocated without getting & filling a deployment plan and justification.

Does it make sense ? can it be accepted formally ?

(I understand that it is not the current policy).

\Alain.