We have run into severe problems with ICL.

Can you be more specific?

If you receive a request for address space from ICL, we would appreciate it if you refer them to the RIPE NCC.

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Hi,

We have run into severe problems with ICL. As a result, we have received strong signals that they are shopping around for address space.

If you receive a request for address space from ICL, we would appreciate it if you refer them to the RIPE NCC.

Thanks,

Geert Jan de Groot RIPE NCC staff

We have had problems with ICL Italy. We spent a lot of time trying to explain them what is suggested to large multinational companies when they need address space in different countries. We referred them to RIPE but we got again the request bounced back via ICL UK which described us (the Italian last resort IR) as "refusing to help"!!! I also talked on the phone with Daniel and finally we gave them one class C 193.43.135.0 because they said ICL Italy has yet no plan to connect to the Internet. So we treated them as any company needing official address space but without a provider. I enclose some of the mail below. Blasco From: ag@icl.it Message-Id: <199505031053.AA22693@relay.iunet.it> Subject: ICL Italy Address Space Request To: staff@nis.garr.it Date: Wed, 3 May 95 10:56:15 MET DST Cc: js@icl.it X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3590 Sender: owner-staff@nis.garr.it Status: OR Buongiorno, come daccordo vi invio copia della corrispondenza interncorsa tra i nostri headquartes inglesi ed il RIPE NCC Hostmaster Team. Ho escluso gli header dei mail per evitare di aumentare inutilmente le dimensioni dei mail e per descrivere esattamente la funzione dei soggetti. ============================================================================== FROM: S.J.Knight (CFM Network Service Managaer - ICL UK - MDN04) TO : RIPE NNC Hostmaster Team We have contacted the registry of last Resort in Italy and the refuse to help, saying Italy should be allocated address space from ICL's B-Class in the U.K. This is not acceptable as GARR replied to myself to say they would contact YOU and you would make a decision as to whether ICL should/should not use up U.K. address space (We have NO address space left). I would therefore appreciate your attention to this as I am going rounf in circles and can not move forward. (THIS IS HAVING A SERIOUS IMPACT ON ICL'S ITALY BUSINESS !!!!!). At present Italy have NO requirement to connect to the internet therefor e contacted GARR who have been very obstructive and completely unwilling to help. Could you please adjudicate on this matter and provide ME with a definit ive answer ! Regards S.J.Knight CFM Network Service +44 (0) 1438 313361 x2787 ============================================================================== FROM: RIPE NNC Hostmaster Team TO : S.J.Knight (CFM Network Service Managaer - ICL UK - MDN04) Dear S.J.Knight, the text of the letter sent to you describes how we changed our model of service according to those who actually pay for it. You should, if you require the services of the RIPE NCC, direct your request via a contributing local registry that receives "normal" service level. If you plan to connect to the Internet in Italy, ICL should select a provider. If the do not, the they can either get their addresses from the "last resort" registry in their country, as happened in Spain, or from the parent organisation, from where there is a connection to the Internet. The Last Resort Registry in Italy is: org: Last Resort Internet Registry for Italy type: LAST-RESORT address: Last Resort Internet Registry for Italy address: c/o GARR Network Information Service address: c/o CNUCE Istituto del CNR address: Via Santa Maria, 36 address: I-56126 Pisa address: IT admin-c: Antonio_Blasco Bonito tech-c: Antonio_Blasco Bonito phone: +39 50 593360 fax-no: +39 50 904052 e-mail: info@nis.garr.it Unfortunately the work load in the "normal" queue is such that we will not be able to reply to requests in the time-permitting queue for a very long time - as there is no time. Kind regardss. RIPE NCC Hostmaster Team. ============================================================================== A seguito della conversazione avuta oggi con la Dottoressa Tamorri rimaniamo in attesa di indicazioni da parte vostra nella speranza che esse arrivino nel piu' breve tempo possibile. Vi ringrazio per l'attenzione. Cordiali Saluti. -- +--------------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Alessandro Galetto | Phone: +39-2-95444250 (direct) | | Address : ICL Italia S.p.A. | +39-2-954441 (operator) | | Via Roma 74 | Fax : +39-2-95444200 | | I-20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (Milan)| Telex: 340050 ICL I | | ITALY | EMail: ag@ICL.it | +--------------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ ---------- ---------- Antonio_Blasco Bonito E-Mail: bonito@nis.garr.it GARR - Network Information Service c=it;a=garr;p=garr;o=nis;s=bonito c/o CNUCE - Istituto del CNR Tel: +39 (50) 593246 Via S. Maria, 36 Telex: 500371 CNUCE I 56126 PISA Italy Fax: +39 (50) 904052 ---------- ----------