None of the RIR's are going to tell me what routes I will accept or filter in my network.....as simple as that. If I am filtering out networks that my customers wish to get to then that will be fixed as soon as a ticet is opened by them. Also, what is with the "...you boys..." remarks. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Baptista To: leo vegoda Cc: lir-wg@ripe.net Sent: 1/2/03 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [lir-wg] ripe allocation 82.0.0.0/8 and arin allocation 69.0.0.0/8 On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, leo vegoda wrote:

The RIPE NCC can not guarantee whether any particular route will be accepted by any network operator.

Thats a problem. Question - if one of your customers discovers that an allocation does not route can they have it replaced with one that does. I understand you don't guarantee any particular allocation will route. And in the old days when the charges were minimal for IP allocation - well one could reluctantly accept that. However - under the new policies you boys are charging these people hefty bucks and that means liability and I don't think it prudent to hide behind the routing claim. I have documented over 15 cases in which the 69.0.0.0/8 fiasco has cost these people clients and business that went elsewhere. Have also documented situations in which these recent allocation have resulted in the renumbering of networks out of 69.0.0.0/8 allocations into arpa that works. So you see I think it prudent that there be a policy to allow for returns and replacement of arpa. I don't think you boys should be issuing numbers when you are aware that they don't work and are causing people financial problems to their business operations. So if you do get complaints regarding 82.0.0.0/8 - do you intend to make sure your customers get network that work - or will RIPE be following the ARIN lead and just let these people hang. regards joe baptista