Re: Address space for individuals
On Fri, 20 May 94 17:32:13 BST you said:
One point I'd suggest though -- I don't believe it would be realistic to expect a uniform charge across Europe. As with everything else in life, costs will vary from country to country. One discussion point will be whether one wants the idea of free competition across Europe, with customers "shopping around" (the Maastricht ideal, I suppose), or a situation where customers aren't "allowed" to apply in other than their own country (ie regulation, or a cartel, depending on your view.) If the latter then there's an interesting consequence of what to do if a one country's Last Resort Registry starts charging unreasonably high prices ... this is a problem that hasn't been solved yet in the well known area of line provision!
Imagine the havoc it would play on CIDR if everyone shopped around to save a few ECUs on an IP address. RIPE could come out with a recommendation range, i.e. $10-$30 per class C.
Could be an interesting discussion....
Bob Day
Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 20 May 94 17:32:13 BST you said:
One point I'd suggest though -- I don't believe it would be realistic to expect a uniform charge across Europe. As with everything else in life, costs will vary from country to country. One discussion point will be whether one wants the idea of free competition across Europe, with customers "shopping around" (the Maastricht ideal, I suppose), or a situation where customers aren't "allowed" to apply in other than their own country (ie regulation, or a cartel, depending on your view.)
A note on the side: not allowing purchase of IP addresses in other countries would very likely be illegal at least inside the EU including any other restrictions on usage of not nationally obtained IP addresses.
If the latter then there's an interesting consequence of what to do if a one country's Last Resort Registry starts charging unreasonably high prices ... this is a problem that hasn't been solved yet in the well known area of line provision!
Imagine the havoc it would play on CIDR if everyone shopped around to save a few ECUs on an IP address. RIPE could come out with a recommendation range, i.e. $10-$30 per class C.
The main problem is that if it's a small enough ammount to be painless, it's too expensive to bill for (a one time bill for $10 is clearly not going to make any sense at all). Simon
Simon Poole wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 94 17:32:13 BST you said:
One point I'd suggest though -- I don't believe it would be realistic to expect a uniform charge across Europe. As with everything else in life, costs will vary from country to country. One discussion point will be whether one wants the idea of free competition across Europe, with customers "shopping around" (the Maastricht ideal, I suppose), or a situation where customers aren't "allowed" to apply in other than their own country (ie regulation, or a cartel, depending on your view.)
A note on the side: not allowing purchase of IP addresses in other countries would very likely be illegal at least inside the EU including any other restrictions on usage of not nationally obtained IP addresses.
I can't see this. Don't take it as buying but paying sort of tax for it.
If the latter then there's an interesting consequence of what to do if a one country's Last Resort Registry starts charging unreasonably high prices ... this is a problem that hasn't been solved yet in the well known area of line provision!
Imagine the havoc it would play on CIDR if everyone shopped around to save a few ECUs on an IP address. RIPE could come out with a recommendation range, i.e. $10-$30 per class C.
The main problem is that if it's a small enough ammount to be painless, it's too expensive to bill for (a one time bill for $10 is clearly not going to make any sense at all).
It should be *no* problem to do this for a 2 or 3-year period (one time for setup, recurrent for maintaining). This would give a "bill" for about $50 once in three years.
Simon
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Arnold Nipper writes:
Simon Poole wrote: ...
A note on the side: not allowing purchase of IP addresses in other countries would very likely be illegal at least inside the EU including any other restrictions on usage of not nationally obtained IP addresses.
I can't see this. Don't take it as buying but paying sort of tax for it.
If it's considered a lease or a purchase dosen't matter, only governments raise taxes.
The main problem is that if it's a small enough ammount to be painless, it's too expensive to bill for (a one time bill for $10 is clearly not going to make any sense at all).
It should be *no* problem to do this for a 2 or 3-year period (one time for setup, recurrent for maintaining). This would give a "bill" for about $50 once in three years.
Except that going to a system like this has significant implications in two ways: - the fact that you are now selling/leasing IP numbers has legal consequences (guarentees and liabilities), that you very likely will not be able to avoid (better never allocate an IP number twice :-)).* - currently IP number registration is very much "assign and forget", a significant amount of infrastructure and cost is involved if you regulary have to chase IP number owners down. Simon * very likely this already applies now, however at least I sleep better as long as we're not asking money for the service :-).
poole@eunet.ch (Simon Poole) writes:
A note on the side: not allowing purchase of IP addresses in other countries would very likely be illegal at least inside the EU including any other restrictions on usage of not nationally obtained IP addresses.
Stop it right there. There is no purchase involved. Once we talk about purchase and ownership we are doomed. No aggrgation, no reclamation, no leasing to refuce consumption. Erase those words from the discussion please. Now to Simon's remark: Where can I get a Swiss phone number in the Netherlands? I think we should not be overly concerned with this problem at the present time.
The main problem is that if it's a small enough ammount to be painless, it's too expensive to bill for (a one time bill for $10 is clearly not going to make any sense at all).
I support leasing of address space eventually. With all the problems involved. One idea that is feasible then is to lease small amounts of address space for longer times with advance payment. This gets around the small bills problem. Daniel
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