Apologies for multiple postings. Mike ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: owner-nanog@merit.edu Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:49:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611262049.MAA05750@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li <tli@jnx.com> To: nanog@merit.edu, cidrd@iepg.org, metro@nlanr.net Subject: ISPACs Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu Status: RO Folks, I'd like to point your attention to the following ID. I would appreciate any comments. For the lack of a better place, I'd ask that discussion be on the cidrd mailing list. Thanks, Tony A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Internet Service Provider Address Coalitions (ISPACs) Author(s) : T. Li Filename : draft-li-ispac-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 11/25/1996 ------- End of Forwarded Message
On Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:38:39 +0000 "Mike Norris" wrote:
Title : Internet Service Provider Address Coalitions (ISPACs) Author(s) : T. Li Filename : draft-li-ispac-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 11/25/1996
I don't think this will fly. The major cost of ISP's is their lines; changing between ISPACs means that the same infrastructure is used, and thus that performance level and price will be very similar amongst 'competitors' in the same ISPAC. I don't think it makes sense for a customer to change ISP between those in the ISPAC. Also, this would mean that the ISP's in the ISPAC give each other transit over their main international lines. That just doesn't make sense to me. I must be missing something? Geert Jan
Quoting from Geert Jan de Groot's message:
On Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:38:39 +0000 "Mike Norris" wrote:
Title : Internet Service Provider Address Coalitions (ISPACs) Author(s) : T. Li Filename : draft-li-ispac-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 11/25/1996
I don't think this will fly. The major cost of ISP's is their lines; changing between ISPACs means that the same infrastructure is used, and thus that performance level and price will be very similar amongst 'competitors' in the same ISPAC.
You are right, but the proposal still makes sense in my view
I don't think it makes sense for a customer to change ISP between those in the ISPAC.
ISPs in the ISPAC could differentiate among themselves for other characteristics than the transport infrastrucure: i.e. type of customers, local scope, type of customer support, etc
Also, this would mean that the ISP's in the ISPAC give each other transit over their main international lines. That just doesn't make sense to me.
This is exactly what happens in Italy where a large number of small ISPs use a small set of upstream big ISPs. Hence a sort of ISPAC is already in place...
I must be missing something?
Are you still missing something?
Geert Jan
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