Hi Peter,
Could someone explain to me what the nets marked "reserved" in for example http://kmserv.com/testbed/ip-space.txt are expected to be used for? Special stuff or RIR address space?
Well, looking at the above link and comparing it to the most recent one (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space), I would say the latter. Eg. 068-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 now 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 070-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
Peter B. Juul, Uni·C (PBJ255-RIPE)
Regards, Daniel Rasmussen dk.uunet
ISPs sell (lease) a "virtual product" called an IP address for $10 to $15 per month. ARIN should get one month's revenue on an annual basis. ICANN should get one month's revenue on an annual basis. ==== A /8 is 16,777,216 such products. At an average of $12.50 per month, that is $209,715,200 from the ISP to ARIN each year. ARIN can then pay ICANN $1,7476,267 *each year* for EACH /8. http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 063/8 ARIN Apr 97 064/8 ARIN Jul 99 065/8 ARIN Jul 00 066/8 ARIN Jul 00 067/8 ARIN May 01 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 199/8 ARIN - North America May 93 200/8 ARIN - Central and South America May 93 204/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94 205/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94 206/8 ARIN - North America Apr 95 207/8 ARIN - North America Nov 95 208/8 ARIN - North America Apr 96 209/8 ARIN - North America Jun 96 216/8 ARIN - North America Apr 98 ===== Jim Fleming 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...IPv16 is even closer... http://www.ietf.com http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
Each /8 is very valuable, worth between one and two Billion U.S. dollars. It is important to have a broad base of "Trustees" that help to manage all of cyberspace. That avoids having companies with monopoly control over a space or the Registry for the space. The 11-bits of extended addressing (22 total) that can fit in the IPv4 header, allow all address spaces to be expanded. Existing "owners" do not have rights to that expanded space. Eight Trustees plus the existing owner form a 9-person "Board" to manage each space. Here is one example. 17*8=136 http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 0:136 PICTURES 0:137 BBS 0:138 PLACE 0:139 KIDS 0:140 SPACE 0:141 APPRAISERS 0:142 CHANGE 0:143 CREATED ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel N. Rasmussen" <daniel.rasmussen@wcom.com> To: "'Peter B. Juul'" <peter.juul@uni-c.dk>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses Hi Peter,
Could someone explain to me what the nets marked "reserved" in for example http://kmserv.com/testbed/ip-space.txt are expected to be used for? Special stuff or RIR address space?
Well, looking at the above link and comparing it to the most recent one (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space), I would say the latter. Eg. 068-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 now 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 070-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
Peter B. Juul, Uni·C (PBJ255-RIPE)
Regards, Daniel Rasmussen dk.uunet
It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion of this IPv8 stuff. -- Andre Jim Fleming wrote:
Each /8 is very valuable, worth between one and two Billion U.S. dollars. It is important to have a broad base of "Trustees" that help to manage all of cyberspace. That avoids having companies with monopoly control over a space or the Registry for the space. The 11-bits of extended addressing (22 total) that can fit in the IPv4 header, allow all address spaces to be expanded. Existing "owners" do not have rights to that expanded space. Eight Trustees plus the existing owner form a 9-person "Board" to manage each space. Here is one example. 17*8=136
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 0:136 PICTURES 0:137 BBS 0:138 PLACE 0:139 KIDS 0:140 SPACE 0:141 APPRAISERS 0:142 CHANGE 0:143 CREATED ==========================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel N. Rasmussen" <daniel.rasmussen@wcom.com> To: "'Peter B. Juul'" <peter.juul@uni-c.dk>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses
Hi Peter,
Could someone explain to me what the nets marked "reserved" in for example http://kmserv.com/testbed/ip-space.txt are expected to be used for? Special stuff or RIR address space?
Well, looking at the above link and comparing it to the most recent one (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space), I would say the latter.
Eg. 068-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
now 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 070-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
Peter B. Juul, Uni·C (PBJ255-RIPE)
Regards, Daniel Rasmussen dk.uunet
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 3:180 LIE (LIECHTENSTEIN) 3:181 FINE 3:182 TUR (TURKEY) 3:183 GEO (GEORGIA) 3:184 CH (SWITZERLAND) 3:185 AT (AUSTRIA) 3:186 INSTANCE 3:187 ROLL 3:188 RUGS ============================================= http://www.analogx.com/cgi-bin/cgidig.exe?DNS=205.214.45.10&Query=in-addr.CH&Type=255&submit=Lookup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Oppermann" <oppermann@tix.ch> To: <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses
It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion of this IPv8 stuff.
-- Andre
Jim Fleming wrote:
Each /8 is very valuable, worth between one and two Billion U.S. dollars. It is important to have a broad base of "Trustees" that help to manage all of cyberspace. That avoids having companies with monopoly control over a space or the Registry for the space. The 11-bits of extended addressing (22 total) that can fit in the IPv4 header, allow all address spaces to be expanded. Existing "owners" do not have rights to that expanded space. Eight Trustees plus the existing owner form a 9-person "Board" to manage each space. Here is one example. 17*8=136
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 0:136 PICTURES 0:137 BBS 0:138 PLACE 0:139 KIDS 0:140 SPACE 0:141 APPRAISERS 0:142 CHANGE 0:143 CREATED ==========================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel N. Rasmussen" <daniel.rasmussen@wcom.com> To: "'Peter B. Juul'" <peter.juul@uni-c.dk>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses
Hi Peter,
Could someone explain to me what the nets marked "reserved" in for example http://kmserv.com/testbed/ip-space.txt are expected to be used for? Special stuff or RIR address space?
Well, looking at the above link and comparing it to the most recent one (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space), I would say the latter.
Eg. 068-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
now 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 070-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
Peter B. Juul, Uni·C (PBJ255-RIPE)
Regards, Daniel Rasmussen dk.uunet
Dear Andre, --On 10. oktober 2002 15:41 +0200 Andre Oppermann <oppermann@tix.ch> wrote:
It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion of this IPv8 stuff.
We have a long tradition of beeing an Open forum. Open means everybody can participate. From time to time somebody posts questions which others regards as off-topic/outisde the charter etc. The charter of the list is fairly loose so I personally find it difficult to exclude individuals from this list. My possition as chair is that this mailinglist is open for anybody to participate on. If the lir-wg feels that we should in some way limit the membership we need to establish a mempership policy. (With the consequence that we are no longer an open forum) Thus, I will not ask the RIPE NCC to block anybody from this list. Best Regards, Hans Petter Holen lir-wg chair
On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:22:37PM +0200, Hans Petter Holen <hpholen@tiscali.no> wrote a message of 27 lines which said:
We have a long tradition of beeing an Open forum. Open means everybody can participate. From time to time somebody posts questions which others regards as off-topic/outisde the charter etc.
Anyone can occasionally send offtopic or stupid or flame messages. Only Jim Fleming repeatedly sends messages about its dummy IPv8 to every mailing list he knows (with copies to Stuart Lynn and Vinton Cerf most of the time), whatever the original subject. If you do not want to stop him, here is the procmail rule I suggest for the members of this list: # Known troll :0 * ^From:.*Jim Fleming /dev/null
On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 10:59, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:22:37PM +0200, Hans Petter Holen <hpholen@tiscali.no> wrote a message of 27 lines which said:
We have a long tradition of beeing an Open forum. Open means everybody can participate. From time to time somebody posts questions which others regards as off-topic/outisde the charter etc.
Anyone can occasionally send offtopic or stupid or flame messages. Only Jim Fleming repeatedly sends messages about its dummy IPv8 to every mailing list he knows (with copies to Stuart Lynn and Vinton Cerf most of the time), whatever the original subject.
It would be a sad day when we start censoring RIPE WG lists. I find Jim's postings vaguely amusing and wouldn't want to filter him. Every community needs its eccentrics. Nigel
I agree. People shouldn't be blocked if they have other views, but Flemming obviously isn't trying to contribute to any discussion. Given the nature of his messages, I would classify them as spam. They are filling up our mailboxes and are not relevant in any way to what is being discussed. - Martin
-- Ursprungligt meddelande -- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:41:35 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann <oppermann@tix.ch> To: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses
It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion of this IPv8 stuff.
-- Andre
Jim Fleming wrote:
Each /8 is very valuable, worth between one and two Billion U.S. dollars. It is important to have a broad base of "Trustees" that help to manage
all
of cyberspace. That avoids having companies with monopoly control over a space or the Registry for the space. The 11-bits of extended addressing (22 total) that can fit in the IPv4 header, allow all address spaces to be expanded. Existing "owners" do not have rights to that expanded space. Eight Trustees plus the existing owner form a 9-person "Board" to manage each space. Here is one example. 17*8=136
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 0:136 PICTURES 0:137 BBS 0:138 PLACE 0:139 KIDS 0:140 SPACE 0:141 APPRAISERS 0:142 CHANGE 0:143 CREATED ==========================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel N. Rasmussen" <daniel.rasmussen@wcom.com> To: "'Peter B. Juul'" <peter.juul@uni-c.dk>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [lir-wg] Reserved addresses
Hi Peter,
Could someone explain to me what the nets marked "reserved" in for example http://kmserv.com/testbed/ip-space.txt are expected to be used for? Special stuff or RIR address space?
Well, looking at the above link and comparing it to the most recent one (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space), I would say the latter.
Eg. 068-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
now 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069/8 ARIN Aug 02 070-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
Peter B. Juul, Uni·C (PBJ255-RIPE)
Regards, Daniel Rasmussen dk.uunet
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Mail filters are wonderful things! ;-) philip -- At 15:41 10/10/2002 +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote:
It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion of this IPv8 stuff.
-- Andre
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Philip Smith wrote: PS> Mail filters are wonderful things! ;-) Yeah, but filtering at the source point are better than at the destioneation, you know: it helps to avoid congestion ;-) In short words: I usually do not pay too much attention to off-topics, but this exact person are mach behind the threshold. PS> >It would be really nice if someone at RIPE could block this guy on PS> >this list. He just annoys as much as he is off-topic with the promotion PS> >of this IPv8 stuff. Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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