
I sent the mail below to ncc@ripe.net and didnt get an answer up to now, so I'm wondering if anyone in this list may help or could give us some notes. tia
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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, we plan to become LIR in the very near future and have some questions concerning registration and status issues. Currently we deploy VPN-connections over WANs and the internet for customers, including centralized internet-gateway and hosting services. As we grow, the needs of our customers grow exponentially, forcing us to provide redundant internet-access at our internet-gateway and hosting location here in Berlin. For this need, we plan to connect to (in the first step) two upstream providers and get an fully internet-routable addressblock. As you state in Ripe-Document 142 the use of PI-address-space in an AS would be suitable for this, but as you say in the same document you do not guarentee the ability to route this address-space in the whole internet. But exactly this guarantee is what we need to provide our customers the service-level-agreements they expect. So we can't only use this PI-address-space but instead become LIR and get our own allocated address space in an order of magnitude that is routed in the internet. Our question is now, what is the real difference between enterprise LIR and small provider LIR? We do not plan to assign customers address-space besides RFC1819 nets for LAN-2-LAN connections through VPNs but only assign addresses for hosting, housing and VPN-Connections through the internet. The second question is, if we would get *at all* an addressblock /19 if we cant show up a plan that we will use an certain amount of this address in e.g. 48 months which will be true in our current considerations. Sincerely, Christian Tramnitz

At 14:21 20/03/2001, Tramnitz@t-online.de wrote:
Our question is now, what is the real difference between enterprise LIR and small provider LIR? We do not plan to assign customers address-space
How do you plan to do a VPN service for customers if you do not plan on assigning addresses for a service to them? Enterprise address space is basically where you assign addresses to your own self.
The second question is, if we would get *at all* an addressblock /19 if we cant show up a plan that we will use an certain amount of this address in e.g. 48 months which will be true in our current considerations.
You will initially get a /20 - and when you start filling this, and as you mention you will grow quickly (expecting a /19 usage in two years time) then there is no reason why you should not get an extra /20. Regards Denesh -- Denesh Bhabuta Chairman, CEO and Principal Consultant Cyberstrider Limited www.cyberstrider.net Internet and E-Commerce: Strategy, Consultancy and Solutions
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