On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:59:40 -6000, Miroslaw Jaworski wrote:
Cooperation of all ISP is needed. Index od spammers. Absolute rule : before setting up new accounts, check customer in spammers index.
And for more : official documents about spam. It should be announced and published over network so EVERY user can read it and imagine what will happen with him if.....
Hmmm... I think that this could be HIGHLY illegal for the following reasons: - Spamming, although annoying is not illegal (even if the only reason is that laws evolve at a very slow speed) - Putting someone in a black list can greatly affect a person's or a small company's reputation and business. Most EU national laws forbid publishing that kind of information, let alone an agreement between ISP's not to service that fellow. In addition, if all the proof you have is based in your logs, which anyone can alter just with 'vi' and imagination, it is the spammer who will sue you for huge amounts of money. Making the spammers rich is not the optimal way to stop spamming. The only legal loophole would be if ISPs put a disuasive price for spamming practices in their service contract. A price so high that no spammer would pay. Then spammers would be invoiced, and the invoice would become unpaid after the invoice due date. Publishing a list of people who won't pay you is not illegal as long as the debt is well documented (with the invoice) nor is denying service because of being on that list. (We could have legal problems anyway, but the case would be harder for the spammer) And the only way out of the list would be paying the bill. Regards Javier Llopis BitMailer, S.L. javier@bitmailer.com Juan Bravo 51, Dup. 1-Izq Tel: +34 1 402 1551 28006 Madrid Fax: +34 1 402 4115 SPAIN
In message <m0xGSbC-003jlwC@ns.bitmailer.com>, "Javier Llopis" writes:
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:59:40 -6000, Miroslaw Jaworski wrote:
- Putting someone in a black list can greatly affect a person's or a small company's reputation and business. Most EU national laws forbid publishing that kind of information, let alone an agreement between ISP's not to service that fellow.
This is in fact >not< correct. You can do that. You have to apply for approval of such a register, but it is legal and present in many other areas of business. The general requirement is that "doing business with the person or company can negatively impact the prosperity of the subscribers of the register." (A number of people in Denmark has started discussing such a register, if danish people on this list are interested, please contact me). -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
The only legal loophole would be if ISPs put a disuasive price for spamming practices in their service contract. A price so high that no spammer would pay. Then spammers would be invoiced, and the invoice would become unpaid after the invoice due date.
This solution is as good as saying 'spammer - you are not welcome in my network'. He goes and finds another ISP, whose pricing policy is different. Mikk
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