[Apologies for duplicate mails] New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-260 Title: RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003 Author: Mireille Ent, Jochem de Ruig Date: 31 October 2002 Format: PS=359378 TXT=12616 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Short content description ------------------------- The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" outlines the billing and payment procedure for members of the RIPE NCC and contains additional related information about the RIPE NCC. This document should be read in conjunction with the "RIPE NCC General Terms and Conditions" and the "RIPE NCC Clearing House Procedure". Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website. The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" is available at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing2003.html You can also access the RIPE documents via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.txt plain text version Kind Regards, Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC Webmaster
Sorry, maybe I do not participate quite as much as I would like, but the fee for a SMALL registry has increased by more that 50% in a year. I just got the invoice and had to back track. My budgets are somewhat unbalanced now... That is somewhat high a jump isn't it ? What is the average EU inflation figure ? 4% ? Can someone from the RIPE management comment on how much money is spent on non-core (IP management, co-ordination and associated registry activities) ? I cannot make it to RIPE meetings but I would like to ask someone to raise this issue formally at the next event. rgds, -- Peter Galbavy Knowtion Ltd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service" <webmaster@ripe.net> To: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [lir-wg] New Document available: RIPE-260
[Apologies for duplicate mails]
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
Ref: ripe-260 Title: RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003 Author: Mireille Ent, Jochem de Ruig Date: 31 October 2002 Format: PS=359378 TXT=12616 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by:
Short content description -------------------------
The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" outlines the billing and payment procedure for members of the RIPE NCC and contains additional related information about the RIPE NCC. This document should be read in conjunction with the "RIPE NCC General Terms and Conditions" and the "RIPE NCC Clearing House Procedure".
Accessing the RIPE document store ---------------------------------
You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website. The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" is available at the following URL:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing2003.html
You can also access the RIPE documents via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs.
The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are:
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.txt plain text version
Kind Regards,
Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC Webmaster
I am equally concerned of the rise in fees (although I have been aware it was coming) which I don't see as bringing me anything more value. However, other than mentioning it on the survey that recently took place, I haven't had the time to get involved in more detail with RIPE. It looks like I will have to in future. Sebastien. --- NetConnex Broadband Ltd. tel. +44 870 745 4830 fax. +44 870 745 4831 Court Farm Lodge, 1 Eastway, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8SG. United Kingdom. On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Peter Galbavy wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:01:34 -0000 From: Peter Galbavy <peter.galbavy@knowtion.net> To: Local IR Working Group <lir-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [lir-wg] 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
Sorry, maybe I do not participate quite as much as I would like, but the fee for a SMALL registry has increased by more that 50% in a year. I just got the invoice and had to back track. My budgets are somewhat unbalanced now...
That is somewhat high a jump isn't it ? What is the average EU inflation figure ? 4% ?
Can someone from the RIPE management comment on how much money is spent on non-core (IP management, co-ordination and associated registry activities) ?
I cannot make it to RIPE meetings but I would like to ask someone to raise this issue formally at the next event.
rgds, -- Peter Galbavy Knowtion Ltd.
----- Original Message ----- From: "RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service" <webmaster@ripe.net> To: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [lir-wg] New Document available: RIPE-260
[Apologies for duplicate mails]
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
Ref: ripe-260 Title: RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003 Author: Mireille Ent, Jochem de Ruig Date: 31 October 2002 Format: PS=359378 TXT=12616 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by:
Short content description -------------------------
The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" outlines the billing and payment procedure for members of the RIPE NCC and contains additional related information about the RIPE NCC. This document should be read in conjunction with the "RIPE NCC General Terms and Conditions" and the "RIPE NCC Clearing House Procedure".
Accessing the RIPE document store ---------------------------------
You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website. The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" is available at the following URL:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing2003.html
You can also access the RIPE documents via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs.
The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are:
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.txt plain text version
Kind Regards,
Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC Webmaster
I am equally concerned of the rise in fees (although I have been aware it was coming) which I don't see as bringing me anything more value. However, other than mentioning it on the survey that recently took place, I haven't had the time to get involved in more detail with RIPE. It looks like I will have to in future.
For those of us (I am sure it is not just me) supporting legacy networks, is there any value in pursueing 'merging' LIRs, or does this process have a detrimental effect on allocations/assignments already made ? Again, I have not had the time to keep up with the latest documents re merges and acquisitions and RIPE. This may be a cost saving for those who are paying almost completely out of our own pockets. Peter
Maybe ripe customers should pay per service, not per membership status. For every IP allocation(depends on size, work needed), for every ASn, and oth.? Andrius On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:27:14PM -0000, Peter Galbavy wrote:
I am equally concerned of the rise in fees (although I have been aware it was coming) which I don't see as bringing me anything more value. However, other than mentioning it on the survey that recently took place, I haven't had the time to get involved in more detail with RIPE. It looks like I will have to in future.
For those of us (I am sure it is not just me) supporting legacy networks, is there any value in pursueing 'merging' LIRs, or does this process have a detrimental effect on allocations/assignments already made ? Again, I have not had the time to keep up with the latest documents re merges and acquisitions and RIPE.
This may be a cost saving for those who are paying almost completely out of our own pockets.
Peter
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Andrius Kasparavicius wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:27:14PM -0000, Peter Galbavy wrote:
I am equally concerned of the rise in fees (although I have been aware it was coming) which I don't see as bringing me anything more value. However, other than mentioning it on the survey that recently took place, I haven't had the time to get involved in more detail with RIPE. It looks like I will have to in future.
For those of us (I am sure it is not just me) supporting legacy networks, is there any value in pursueing 'merging' LIRs, or does this process have a detrimental effect on allocations/assignments already made ? Again, I have not had the time to keep up with the latest documents re merges and acquisitions and RIPE.
You can't have a PA allocation unless you're an LIR as far as I recall (I thought you could but I think someone mentioned you could only get a PI assignment rather than a PA allocation) so it would be detrimental. The idea has some merit (and would pay for internal training for staff perhaps) but from our point of view, we would prefer to be RIPE members outselves.
Maybe ripe customers should pay per service, not per membership status. For every IP allocation(depends on size, work needed), for every ASn, and oth.?
This is in effect what SMALL, MEDIUM and LARGE is about I guess.. I'm not sure however that we will benefit from the increased level of fees, but I would have to look at it more closely. Sebastien. --- NetConnex Broadband Ltd. tel. +44 870 745 4830 fax. +44 870 745 4831 Court Farm Lodge, 1 Eastway, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8SG. United Kingdom.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:42:38PM +0000, Sebastien Lahtinen wrote:
Maybe ripe customers should pay per service, not per membership status. For every IP allocation(depends on size, work needed), for every ASn, and oth.?
This is in effect what SMALL, MEDIUM and LARGE is about I guess.. I'm not sure however that we will benefit from the increased level of fees, but I would have to look at it more closely.
But I think it is inadequate calculation. I didn't see anywhere any specification about how membership status is assigned. Maybe someone can point me out? :-) Andrius
Could we also get RIPE to give out a SLA I would be all for it...:) - kurtis - On måndag, nov 25, 2002, at 16:31 Europe/Stockholm, Andrius Kasparavicius wrote:
Maybe ripe customers should pay per service, not per membership status. For every IP allocation(depends on size, work needed), for every ASn, and oth.?
Andrius
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:27:14PM -0000, Peter Galbavy wrote:
I am equally concerned of the rise in fees (although I have been aware it was coming) which I don't see as bringing me anything more value. However, other than mentioning it on the survey that recently took place, I haven't had the time to get involved in more detail with RIPE. It looks like I will have to in future.
For those of us (I am sure it is not just me) supporting legacy networks, is there any value in pursueing 'merging' LIRs, or does this process have a detrimental effect on allocations/assignments already made ? Again, I have not had the time to keep up with the latest documents re merges and acquisitions and RIPE.
This may be a cost saving for those who are paying almost completely out of our own pockets.
Peter
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Andrius Kasparavicius -
Kurt Erik Lindqvist -
Peter Galbavy -
RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service -
Sebastien Lahtinen -
Sebastien Lahtinen