Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
Hello, DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run on a single machine. Sabine -- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenhüttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de Fon: +49 69 27235 0 Fax: +49 69 27235 235 Jan-Ahrent Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com, ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net, net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu, apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. ripe.net 06.06.2002 01:29 PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37 $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok@gatel.net> From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> CopyTo: randy@psg.com;ddiaz@ripe.net;routing-wg@ripe.net;lir-wg@ripe.net;tech-l@ams-ix.net;apops@lists.apnic.net;nanog@merit.edu;apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Received: from smtp.denic.de ([194.246.96.22]) by notes.denic.de (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002060601283597:15602 ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:35 +0200 Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by smtp.denic.de with smtp id 17FkCg-0004uX-00; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 11455 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 66); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Delivered_To: lists-lir-wg-out@lists.ripe.net PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net> In_Reply_To: <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> References: <200206051725.g55HPlA05396@birch.ripe.net> <E17Ff8f-0003So-00@roam.psg.com> <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> Organization: Global Access Telecommunications Inc. $Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6claws16 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X_Ncc_RegID: de.gatel MIME_Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk X_Loop_Detect: RIPE NCC SMTPOriginator: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net RouteServers: CN=notes/O=Denic RouteTimes: 06.06.2002 01:28:36-06.06.2002 01:28:38 DeliveredDate: 06.06.2002 01:28:38 DENICDOCOPENCOUNT: 1 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on notes/Denic(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06.06.2002 01:28:36;MIME-CD by Notes Client on Sabine Dolderer/Denic(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 06.06.2002 09:32:28;MIME-CD complete at 06.06.2002 09:32:28 BlindCopyTo: WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200 Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both to get diversity.
Hi Randy,
there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a new host as soon as possible.
Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg, probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary server for the ccTLDs. The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the secondary server. We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since ns.eu.net will keep running.
Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of events.
when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
right. it's not panic. --jan -- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs. Comments? Arnold -- Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net mobile: +49 172 2650958 handle: an6695-ripe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net> Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.net>; <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>; <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Hello, DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run on a single machine. Sabine -- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenhüttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de Fon: +49 69 27235 0 Fax: +49 69 27235 235 Jan-Ahrent Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com, ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net, net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu, apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. ripe.net 06.06.2002 01:29 PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37 $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok@gatel.net> From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> CopyTo: randy@psg.com;ddiaz@ripe.net;routing-wg@ripe.net;lir-wg@ripe.net;tech-l@ams- ix.net;apops@lists.apnic.net;nanog@merit.edu;apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Received: from smtp.denic.de ([194.246.96.22]) by notes.denic.de (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002060601283597:15602 ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:35 +0200 Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by smtp.denic.de with smtp id 17FkCg-0004uX-00; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 11455 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 66); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Delivered_To: lists-lir-wg-out@lists.ripe.net PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net> In_Reply_To: <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> References: <200206051725.g55HPlA05396@birch.ripe.net> <E17Ff8f-0003So-00@roam.psg.com> <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> Organization: Global Access Telecommunications Inc. $Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6claws16 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X_Ncc_RegID: de.gatel MIME_Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk X_Loop_Detect: RIPE NCC SMTPOriginator: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net RouteServers: CN=notes/O=Denic RouteTimes: 06.06.2002 01:28:36-06.06.2002 01:28:38 DeliveredDate: 06.06.2002 01:28:38 DENICDOCOPENCOUNT: 1 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on notes/Denic(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06.06.2002 01:28:36;MIME-CD by Notes Client on Sabine Dolderer/Denic(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 06.06.2002 09:32:28;MIME-CD complete at 06.06.2002 09:32:28 BlindCopyTo: WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200 Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both to get diversity.
Hi Randy,
there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a new host as soon as possible.
Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg, probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary server for the ccTLDs. The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the secondary server. We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since ns.eu.net will keep running.
Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of events.
when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
right. it's not panic. --jan -- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
While a good idea, not everyone can announce or reach the IX fabrics that they connect to or are out there. One solution to that problem is to have the IX operate a zeebra/gated/whatnot box (or router+machine combo) that announces a /24 and as part of connecting to the IX people are required to peer (and provide transit) for that /24 for the "good of the internet". This would allow everyone that connects to the IX to see the benifits of having a close (to their network that is) dns server as well as if my provider does not announce the DE-CIX, LINX, mae-e, mae-w, paix, nyiix, or whatever space to me, i can still reach a server placed at the IX via their network or via their peers/upstreams. - Jared http://puck.nether.net/dns/ (very rough ui) On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:07:09PM +0200, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
Comments?
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net mobile: +49 172 2650958 handle: an6695-ripe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net> Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.net>; <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>; <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
Hello,
DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run on a single machine.
Sabine
-- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenhüttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt
eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de Fon: +49 69 27235 0 Fax: +49 69 27235 235
Jan-Ahrent Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com, ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net, net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu, apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. ripe.net
06.06.2002 01:29
PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37 $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok@gatel.net> From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> CopyTo: randy@psg.com;ddiaz@ripe.net;routing-wg@ripe.net;lir-wg@ripe.net;tech-l@ams- ix.net;apops@lists.apnic.net;nanog@merit.edu;apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Received: from smtp.denic.de ([194.246.96.22]) by notes.denic.de (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002060601283597:15602 ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:35 +0200 Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by smtp.denic.de with smtp id 17FkCg-0004uX-00; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 11455 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 66); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Delivered_To: lists-lir-wg-out@lists.ripe.net PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net> In_Reply_To: <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> References: <200206051725.g55HPlA05396@birch.ripe.net> <E17Ff8f-0003So-00@roam.psg.com> <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> Organization: Global Access Telecommunications Inc. $Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6claws16 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X_Ncc_RegID: de.gatel MIME_Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk X_Loop_Detect: RIPE NCC SMTPOriginator: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net RouteServers: CN=notes/O=Denic RouteTimes: 06.06.2002 01:28:36-06.06.2002 01:28:38 DeliveredDate: 06.06.2002 01:28:38 DENICDOCOPENCOUNT: 1 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on notes/Denic(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06.06.2002 01:28:36;MIME-CD by Notes Client on Sabine Dolderer/Denic(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 06.06.2002 09:32:28;MIME-CD complete at 06.06.2002 09:32:28 BlindCopyTo: WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200 Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both to get diversity.
Hi Randy,
there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a new host as soon as possible.
Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary server for the ccTLDs.
The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the secondary server.
We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since ns.eu.net will keep running.
Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of events.
when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
right. it's not panic.
--jan
-- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
--On Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:16:34 -0400 Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net> wrote:
While a good idea, not everyone can announce or reach the IX fabrics that they connect to or are out there.
One solution to that problem is to have the IX operate a zeebra/gated/whatnot box (or router+machine combo) that announces a /24 and as part of connecting to the IX people are required to peer (and provide transit) for that /24 for the "good of the internet".
This would allow everyone that connects to the IX to see the benifits of having a close (to their network that is) dns server as well as if my provider does not announce the DE-CIX, LINX, mae-e, mae-w, paix, nyiix, or whatever space to me, i can still reach a server placed at the IX via their network or via their peers/upstreams.
This is done in Sweden, by the exchange point company Netnod, <http://www.netnod.se/>. They have an AS of their own, which is free to peer with, in which a number of crucial services are located, for instance: * Root DNS server * COM/NET/ORG DNS server * DNS for a number of ccTLDs including Sweden. * NTP masters directly synchronised to swedish standard time * RIPE whois mirror. Some of these services are present at several Netnod IXen, notably ccTLD and NTP. It works, and gives excellent service levels. -- Måns Nilsson Systems Specialist +46 70 681 7204 KTHNOC MN1334-RIPE We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead.
<http://www.netnod.se/>. They have an AS of their own, which is free to peer with, in which a number of crucial services are located, for
...as long as you provide transit for free. Which I don't see why you wouldn't. Even Tier-1 providers (and ex- such..:) ) do this. Best regards, - kurtis -
Indeed, for example k.root-servers.net is hosted at LINX and is reachable globally by this kind of setup.. Steve On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Jared Mauch wrote:
While a good idea, not everyone can announce or reach the IX fabrics that they connect to or are out there.
One solution to that problem is to have the IX operate a zeebra/gated/whatnot box (or router+machine combo) that announces a /24 and as part of connecting to the IX people are required to peer (and provide transit) for that /24 for the "good of the internet".
This would allow everyone that connects to the IX to see the benifits of having a close (to their network that is) dns server as well as if my provider does not announce the DE-CIX, LINX, mae-e, mae-w, paix, nyiix, or whatever space to me, i can still reach a server placed at the IX via their network or via their peers/upstreams.
- Jared
http://puck.nether.net/dns/ (very rough ui)
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:07:09PM +0200, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
Comments?
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net mobile: +49 172 2650958 handle: an6695-ripe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net> Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.net>; <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>; <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
Hello,
DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run on a single machine.
Sabine
-- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenh�ttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt
eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de Fon: +49 69 27235 0 Fax: +49 69 27235 235
Jan-Ahrent Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com, ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net, net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu, apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. ripe.net
06.06.2002 01:29
PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37 $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok@gatel.net> From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> CopyTo: randy@psg.com;ddiaz@ripe.net;routing-wg@ripe.net;lir-wg@ripe.net;tech-l@ams- ix.net;apops@lists.apnic.net;nanog@merit.edu;apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Received: from smtp.denic.de ([194.246.96.22]) by notes.denic.de (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002060601283597:15602 ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:35 +0200 Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by smtp.denic.de with smtp id 17FkCg-0004uX-00; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 11455 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 66); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000 Delivered_To: lists-lir-wg-out@lists.ripe.net PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net> In_Reply_To: <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> References: <200206051725.g55HPlA05396@birch.ripe.net> <E17Ff8f-0003So-00@roam.psg.com> <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]> Organization: Global Access Telecommunications Inc. $Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6claws16 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X_Ncc_RegID: de.gatel MIME_Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk X_Loop_Detect: RIPE NCC SMTPOriginator: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net RouteServers: CN=notes/O=Denic RouteTimes: 06.06.2002 01:28:36-06.06.2002 01:28:38 DeliveredDate: 06.06.2002 01:28:38 DENICDOCOPENCOUNT: 1 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on notes/Denic(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06.06.2002 01:28:36;MIME-CD by Notes Client on Sabine Dolderer/Denic(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 06.06.2002 09:32:28;MIME-CD complete at 06.06.2002 09:32:28 BlindCopyTo: WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200 Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both to get diversity.
Hi Randy,
there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a new host as soon as possible.
Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary server for the ccTLDs.
The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the secondary server.
We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since ns.eu.net will keep running.
Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of events.
when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
right. it's not panic.
--jan
-- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote (on Jun 06):
Indeed, for example k.root-servers.net is hosted at LINX and is reachable globally by this kind of setup..
A few of LINXs' members also transit the services provided by LINX "for the good of the community" - ie, at zero cost. That includes k.root. I don't mind doing it. I wouldn't mind for others either. Chris. --
Yes, but there is problem about the transit for the network of the IXP In my experience, some big providers only have the commercial view of internet. Really, if all the IXP members give some transit to the IXP for essential services, internet will be more robust. Daniel Intelideas On Thursday 06 June 2002 16:07, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
Comments?
Arnold
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:31:21PM +0200, Daniel Concepcion wrote:
Yes, but there is problem about the transit for the network of the IXP In my experience, some big providers only have the commercial view of internet.
If an IXP decides to offer infrastructural services then you have to buy upstream of course.
Really, if all the IXP members give some transit to the IXP for essential services, internet will be more robust.
At least each IXP member would have direct connectivity to such infrastructural services (DNS, NTP, WHOIS, NNTP??) and thereby their customers would benefit from it. And an IXP should be in a good position to get upstream :-)) And for the commercials: these services are not for free of course. So bills for IXP members will drop not raise. -- Arnold
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:07:09PM +0200, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
Comments?
Good Idea ! A natural choice seems to be a safe place at a IX that is operated and owned by an independend Company or Organisation, so that Chapter 11 candidates not interfer with the service. In my opinion is the placement of root namkeserver at some IX a good and safe choice for the future. regards Robert Depenbrock -- Energis-ISION Robert Depenbrock SE Technical Consulting Harburger Schlossstr. 1 Hamburg - Germany robert.depenbrock@energis-ision.com http://www.energis-ision.com/ Tel.: +49-40-77175-263
Hi, Just as a (potentially self-serving, apologies if this offends) aside, there are several companies that specialize in DNS hosting out there. The one that I'm most familiar with (Nominum's), co-locates our equipment at IXPs, has an open peering policy (of course), and has multiple (paid) transit providers. We decided upon this approach for exactly the reasons you indicate: they tend to be both more stable and more neutral than ISPs. We also believe locating at IXPs can reduce latency and improve performance. We were already providing secondary for one of the TLDs affected by ns.eu.net going away and would, of course, be happy to provide services to others. Rgds, -drc On 6/6/02 7:07 AM, "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold.nipper@de-cix.net> wrote:
As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
Comments?
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net mobile: +49 172 2650958 handle: an6695-ripe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net> Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.net>; <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>; <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
Hello,
DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run on a single machine.
Sabine
-- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenhüttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt
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Jan-Ahrent Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com, ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net, net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu, apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. ripe.net
06.06.2002 01:29
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200 Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both to get diversity.
Hi Randy,
there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a new host as soon as possible.
Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary server for the ccTLDs.
The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the secondary server.
We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since ns.eu.net will keep running.
Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of events.
when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
right. it's not panic.
--jan
-- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
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Arnold Nipper -
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist -
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Nipper, Arnold -
Robert Depenbrock -
Sabine Dolderer/Denic -
Stephen J. Wilcox