------- Forwarded Message Received: (qmail 27315 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 12:56:27 -0000 Received: from ncc.ripe.net (193.0.0.129) by postman.ripe.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 12:56:27 -0000 Received: from ns.east.ru by ncc.ripe.net with SMTP id AA18906 (5.65a/NCC-2.41); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:51:41 +0100 Received: from ish.east.ru (ish@ish.east.ru [195.170.32.35]) by ns.east.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/BD2) with SMTP id PAA01540; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:50:57 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199711121250.PAA01540@ns.east.ru> Reply-To: "Ilya Shulman" <ish@east.ru> From: "Ilya Shulman" <ish@east.ru> To: <local-ir@ripn.net>, <local-ir@ripe.net>, <ncc@ripn.net>, <ncc@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [local-ir] Re: ripe-167 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:14 +0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 - -----Original Message----- From: Edgar Danielyan <edd@computer.org> To: alex@relcom.EU.net <alex@relcom.EU.net> Cc: local-ir@ripn.net <local-ir@ripn.net>; plat@ripn.net <plat@ripn.net>; stesin@gu.net <stesin@gu.net>; Mirjam.Kuehne@ripe.net <Mirjam.Kuehne@ripe.net>; Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net <Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net>; k13@nikhef.nl <k13@nikhef.nl>; postel@isi.edu <postel@isi.edu>; ncc@ripe.net <ncc@ripe.net>; hostmaster@ripe.net <hostmaster@ripe.net>; local-ir@ripe.net <local-ir@ripe.net>; lir-wg@ripe.net <lir-wg@ripe.net>; ncc@ripn.net <ncc@ripn.net> Date: 12 NOQBRQ 1997 G. 15:20 Subject: Re: [local-ir] Re: ripe-167

Although I don't completely agree, I'd suggest RIPE to have someone who does speak Russian to serve the needs of Russian-speaking registries from the exSU. It may not help, because some time you may need to do smth immidiately and in this case it's really better to have local office if properly working.

Regarding payment in roubles - I don't think this is worth to be discussed, because no country in the "CIS" has "hard" currency, and it will be unethical to pay RIPE in roubles or any other CIS currency - you understand me :-) I also had problems paying in ECU, but RIPE now accepts USD, so we have no problems here... IMHO, of course,

The problem is not in ECU/USD payment whatsever. The problem with payment abroad is due to local financial and economical regulations. You need to open currency account, you need to do lot of paperwork to open it and make currency transfer. As far as most Russian ISP working locally and do not need currency account for theit business it's kinda hard for them to open currency account for just 1 transfer/year. Really it is possible to pay with credit cards or from offshore company but not every ISP has possibility to do that. But this only one of the local issue. So once more, local registry ( if properly build and working ) will void lot of local problems. As to the CIS wide, exUSSR wide issues, I think that any ISP either in Russia or in ex-whateveryouwant (CIS || USSR ) region should have the right to choose between RIPE or local IR. At least for the first period of time, which should be longer then enough to build proper infrastructure. What will we do after the end of this period. Move to IPv6 or IPv8? There will be other issues to solve. May be Moon will decide to have local ir ;) ish - ------ Ilya Shulman ish@east.ru +7-095-956-4951 ISH-RIPN East Connection ISP, Moscow, Russia. http://www.east.ru ------- End of Forwarded Message