Dear mailing list members, As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public. In this spirit I shall not expand on the content of recent mails addressed to this list concerning the RIPE NCC staffing issues. Equally, this does not imply any statement about their truthfulness. I do, however, encourage discussion of the services we provide to our members at any time. All of our staff, including myself, are open and willing to discuss any issues relating to the RIPE NCC services. The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC Association, as the ultimate members' representation, will be happy to discuss any issue you feel you cannot bring up with the Managing Director. Sincerely, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:05:56 +0200 Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> wrote: Axel, This is rediculous. I would like to formally request that the RIPE NCC board look into the report furnished by Gareth, and that at the next AGM of the RIPE that these policies are looked into closely to see if they make sense. Regards, Neil.
Dear mailing list members,
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
In this spirit I shall not expand on the content of recent mails addressed to this list concerning the RIPE NCC staffing issues. Equally, this does not imply any statement about their truthfulness.
I do, however, encourage discussion of the services we provide to our members at any time. All of our staff, including myself, are open and willing to discuss any issues relating to the RIPE NCC services.
The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC Association, as the ultimate members' representation, will be happy to discuss any issue you feel you cannot bring up with the Managing Director.
Sincerely,
Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
-- Neil J. McRae C O L T I N T E R N E T neil@COLT.NET "In this world there's two kinds of people my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig?"
In message <4.2.0.58.20000419140140.00c56100@localhost>, Axel Pawlik writes:
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
Well, In general one doesn't want to wash the laundry in public, but in case something is truly rotten, one may have to. I'm not passing judgment on the various allegations here, but simply the fact that it has gotten to this point indicates that something smells fishy. We may have two hostmasters who were fired for total incompetence or we may have two whistleblowers sacked to keep them quiet, there is no way we can tell - yet.
The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC Association, as the ultimate members' representation, will be happy to discuss any issue you feel you cannot bring up with the Managing Director.
(Well, obviously people have no problems with bringing things up with you, it seems that the issue is the other way around...) I think we need to get a message from the exec board stating that they will look into these matters ASAP. This is fairly and squarely what the exec board is responsible for. I think both the overall issue of hostmaster training, the rapid turnover of hostmasters (if this is indeed the case), and the two specific persons mentioned in previous emails needs to be examined. I think it would be a good idea if the exec board did a round of interviews with all current employees of RIPE and maybe a couple of former ones to get to the bottom of this issue. I think we all want this resolved, and fast please, we have business to attend. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
On 19-Apr-2000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
I think we need to get a message from the exec board stating that they will look into these matters ASAP.
This is fairly and squarely what the exec board is responsible for.
I think both the overall issue of hostmaster training, the rapid turnover of hostmasters (if this is indeed the case), and the two specific persons mentioned in previous emails needs to be examined.
I think it would be a good idea if the exec board did a round of interviews with all current employees of RIPE and maybe a couple of former ones to get to the bottom of this issue.
I think we all want this resolved, and fast please, we have business to attend.
I have asked, on behalf of the Executive Board, for a brief from Axel, to the Board, on the facts of the matter. Once we have a statement of fact we can proceed with whatever action seems appropriate. Nigel -- Tel: +44 171 864 4450 Fax: +44 171 864 4488 Well I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted (James Thurber) (http://www.seanet.com/~thurber/disenchanted.gif)
Stop please! this is "noise" (lo dice anche il Palissi)! thanks Fabrizio Beria ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Titley <nigel.titley@level3.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: <local-ir@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list
On 19-Apr-2000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
I think we need to get a message from the exec board stating that they will look into these matters ASAP.
This is fairly and squarely what the exec board is responsible for.
I think both the overall issue of hostmaster training, the rapid turnover of hostmasters (if this is indeed the case), and the two specific persons mentioned in previous emails needs to be examined.
I think it would be a good idea if the exec board did a round of interviews with all current employees of RIPE and maybe a couple of former ones to get to the bottom of this issue.
I think we all want this resolved, and fast please, we have business to attend.
I have asked, on behalf of the Executive Board, for a brief from Axel, to
the
Board, on the facts of the matter. Once we have a statement of fact we can proceed with whatever action seems appropriate.
Nigel -- Tel: +44 171 864 4450 Fax: +44 171 864 4488 Well I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted (James Thurber) (http://www.seanet.com/~thurber/disenchanted.gif)
Hi, On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 05:46:10PM +0200, Fabrizio Beria wrote:
Stop please!
this is "noise" (lo dice anche il Palissi)!
thanks
Fabrizio Beria
No, it is not. This is very important matter. If you can't stand the mail volume, unsubscribe. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- SpaceNet GmbH Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
This discussion is taking place on the local-ir mailing list as well as the lir-wg mailing list. lir-wg is an appropraite forum for this, local-ir is not. Please DO NOT carry on this discussion on local-ir! On 20-Apr-2000 Gert Doering, Netmaster wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 05:46:10PM +0200, Fabrizio Beria wrote:
Stop please!
this is "noise" (lo dice anche il Palissi)!
thanks
Fabrizio Beria
No, it is not. This is very important matter.
If you can't stand the mail volume, unsubscribe.
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Hallo, does that mean we have to change the list ? siegfried On 19 Apr 00, at 16:05, Axel Pawlik wrote:
Dear mailing list members,
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
In this spirit I shall not expand on the content of recent mails addressed to this list concerning the RIPE NCC staffing issues. Equally, this does not imply any statement about their truthfulness.
I do, however, encourage discussion of the services we provide to our members at any time. All of our staff, including myself, are open and willing to discuss any issues relating to the RIPE NCC services.
The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC Association, as the ultimate members' representation, will be happy to discuss any issue you feel you cannot bring up with the Managing Director.
Sincerely,
Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Axel Pawlik wrote:
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
Well, here's my point of view: no matter how everyone is shocked by the information about internal RIPE NCC matters, I think Axel is right: we should really focus on the services we get from the RIPE NCC. However, from time to time, when we don't get a satisfying quality of service, we have to scream. And we can do it using two ways: * Strictly corporate style - to escalate the problem to the highest level possible (RIPE NCC Executive Board, General Manager etc.) and wait for their action. If no result - fire the management, elect a new board and repeat the procedure in an infinite loop, or: * Open semi-academic style - determine the real cause of the problem and find a solution together, in an open, constructive discussion. For many, many years of dealing with RIPE NCC, we somehow used to deal with all problems using the latter, open approach. Maybe it's because RIPE was born in an academic environment ... or simply because the open approach worked! I'm aware, like many other people, that RIPE NCC is not an academic institution any more. Why, however, to change things that worked so fine for years? Let's discuss! Regards, Beri -- ----- ___ Berislav Todorovic, Network Engineer ---- / / /____ ____ _/_ -- KPNQwest N.V. - IP NOC (formerly EUnet) --- /--- / // //___/ / --- Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL -- /___ /___// //___ /_ ---- Phone: (+3120) 530-5457; Fax: (+3120) 622-4657 - --- Email: beri@EU.net; Mobile: (+31651) 333-641
If I may add a few words... I agree with you, at least partially. The semi-academic approach has been and still is an excellent way of carrying out discussion in the RIPE environment. I believe the RIPE NCC follows this model when discussions relate to our services and their quality, proposing new services, policies that services are based on and their required level of performance. Further, as Axel Pawlik stated, we are all (and that means all) open and willing to discuss any and all aspects of the above. However, I believe we should not be discussing dirty or non-dirty internal operation matters in forums like this because there is no open semi-academic style for discussing staff performance, salaries, health (mental or physical) and related issues that you come across as part of normal company operations. I really do not think that we should go through the process of throwing doubt at all of a company's staff just because of a few rotten apples. It is quite evident that the RIPE NCC currently has some problems. I will not discuss here where these problems come from but they are certainly not the result of spontaneous generation. We, the RIPE NCC management, have been addressing them. We are possibly even more annoyed than you about the current status of the wait queue. I would not like anyone to get the impression from what has transpired that the RIPE NCC's staff is not up to the task or what is commonly referred to as professional. There are quite a few excellent people here and I believe it would be unfair to tag them all with bad markings as a result of some individual actions, which are being taken care of. Since I took the position of Head of External Services at the RIPE NCC, just over two months ago, we have engaged in a full review of work methods in the departments I oversee and have addressed the background problems. The effects of those actions, however, take some time before they are visible. We are now in the process of improving our internal training, first in registration services, later in other areas. Our policy for external training has always been quite flexible and generous. I trust everyone at the RIPE NCC will be able to corroborate. We are now starting a full review of the operational environment that supports the registration activities in order to make hostmaster work more efficient and less tedious. This is however, a process that will take a few months to conclude. As far as addressing the current problem that cannot wait for a utopian perfect world, we are hiring additional human resources dedicated to registration activities. Since this also takes time, we are also looking at shorter term solutions such as re-shuffling the current internal pool of human resources within the RIPE NCC to alleviate the current situation as soon as possible. I believe the upcoming RIPE meeting will provide an excellent forum for interactive discussion about our service level. We intend to go there with as much information as possible to give you a good view of where time is spent when dealing with "tickets" and if needed enable you to take decisions about policy changes (eg. the assignment window) based on fact rather than gut feeling. I am looking forward to a constructive discussion on all these issues in order to constructively move the RIPE NCC forward. We will continue to do our best to clean up the few remaining problem areas in the RIPE NCC and improve our services to the community. Regards, Joao Damas Head of External Services RIPE NCC At 22:51 +0200 19/4/00, registry@EU.net wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Axel Pawlik wrote:
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
Well, here's my point of view: no matter how everyone is shocked by the information about internal RIPE NCC matters, I think Axel is right: we should really focus on the services we get from the RIPE NCC.
However, from time to time, when we don't get a satisfying quality of service, we have to scream. And we can do it using two ways:
* Strictly corporate style - to escalate the problem to the highest level possible (RIPE NCC Executive Board, General Manager etc.) and wait for their action. If no result - fire the management, elect a new board and repeat the procedure in an infinite loop, or:
* Open semi-academic style - determine the real cause of the problem and find a solution together, in an open, constructive discussion.
For many, many years of dealing with RIPE NCC, we somehow used to deal with all problems using the latter, open approach. Maybe it's because RIPE was born in an academic environment ... or simply because the open approach worked!
I'm aware, like many other people, that RIPE NCC is not an academic institution any more. Why, however, to change things that worked so fine for years? Let's discuss!
Regards, Beri
-- ----- ___ Berislav Todorovic, Network Engineer ---- / / /____ ____ _/_ -- KPNQwest N.V. - IP NOC (formerly EUnet) --- /--- / // //___/ / --- Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL -- /___ /___// //___ /_ ---- Phone: (+3120) 530-5457; Fax: (+3120) 622-4657 - --- Email: beri@EU.net; Mobile: (+31651) 333-641
* Open semi-academic style - determine the real cause of the problem and find a solution together, in an open, constructive discussion.
For many, many years of dealing with RIPE NCC, we somehow used to deal with all problems using the latter, open approach. Maybe it's because RIPE was born in an academic environment ... or simply because the open approach worked!
I'm aware, like many other people, that RIPE NCC is not an academic institution any more. Why, however, to change things that worked so fine for years? Let's discuss!
there is a difference between open discussion and wild american usenet style flaming and hysteria. i look to ripe members for the former, not the latter. randy
I'm aware, like many other people, that RIPE NCC is not an academic institution any more. Why, however, to change things that worked so fine for years? Let's discuss!
there is a difference between open discussion and wild american usenet style flaming and hysteria. i look to ripe members for the former, not the latter.
randy
Me too! Just kidding. :) To continue the discussion about discussing: Personally I think that the, acting as RIPE is still academic, thing is very good. Not only for this specific matter but also in many more ways. In the half year that I've been doing RIPE stuff overhere accountmanagers have asked me a couple of times if we couldn't sue RIPE for not giving address space directly when requested. A 141 would have to pass through our legal department as well as RIPE NCC's and penalties would have to be paid whenever one of the parties doesn't make up to the contract. Just think of the consequenses it would have. If someone has a problem with discussions like these I don't think he or she understands the unique environment we have here. Only the really large companies would benefit from a more commercial kind of RIPE NCC. If you do'nt agree with me, you are probably, or should consider, working for one of those companies. :) Maybe it is because I first meet the internet at a university I feel this way and my guess is that those opposed to an academic approach have a different background. Greetings, Martin -- Tin will not rust or give in but melts directly when heated =B-)
If we accept that RIPE has a duty to its members and is under the obligation to serve them, and as such that this mailing list is for its members, then messages to local-ir/lir-wg shouldn't really be considered as public, but as informational for the members of RIPE. In other words, INTERNAL. Or are non lir individuals allowed on these lists? Having said that, the allegations we have just read are serious enough to warrant some statement of clarification from the board. Possibly this statement should even be public due to the seriousness of the allegations. This particular LIR would like more information on the issue so as to dispell any questions about the fairness and open-ness (sp?) of RIPE NCC operations. It is not good enough to BE fair and open, but one must also APPEAR to be fair and open. More so an entity in the position that RIPE NCC is in. Yours, John Broomfield. JCB1-RIPE
Dear mailing list members,
As you may be aware, we have a longstanding policy of not discussing internal matters of the RIPE NCC in public.
In this spirit I shall not expand on the content of recent mails addressed to this list concerning the RIPE NCC staffing issues. Equally, this does not imply any statement about their truthfulness.
I do, however, encourage discussion of the services we provide to our members at any time. All of our staff, including myself, are open and willing to discuss any issues relating to the RIPE NCC services.
The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC Association, as the ultimate members' representation, will be happy to discuss any issue you feel you cannot bring up with the Managing Director.
Sincerely,
Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
If we accept that RIPE has a duty to its members and is under the obligation to serve them, and as such that this mailing list is for its members, then messages to local-ir/lir-wg shouldn't really be considered as public, but as informational for the members of RIPE. In other words, INTERNAL. Or are non lir individuals allowed on these lists?
local-ir is restricted to members of the RIPE NCC Association lir-wg is an open list to all interested in policy matters, see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/lir/index.html for its charter and other info related to this workinggroup. For a period of time almost all discussions has taken place in the open forum (lir-wg). There is however a very low overlap between local-ir and lir-wg so I for one have started sending anouncements to multiple lists. Btw, the "which lists is for what" has been on the slides for the last couple of LIR meetings. Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen LIR-WG chair
What the FUCK is going ON here !!!!!!!!!!!!1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Petter Holen <hph@infostream.no> To: John Charles Broomfield <jbroom@manta.outremer.com>; Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> Cc: <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <local-ir@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list
If we accept that RIPE has a duty to its members and is under the obligation to serve them, and as such that this mailing list is for its members, then messages to local-ir/lir-wg shouldn't really be considered as public, but as informational for the members of RIPE. In other words, INTERNAL. Or are non lir individuals allowed on these lists?
local-ir is restricted to members of the RIPE NCC Association lir-wg is an open list to all interested in policy matters, see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/lir/index.html for its charter and other info related to this workinggroup.
For a period of time almost all discussions has taken place in the open forum (lir-wg).
There is however a very low overlap between local-ir and lir-wg so I for one have started sending anouncements to multiple lists.
Btw, the "which lists is for what" has been on the slides for the last couple of LIR meetings.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen LIR-WG chair
-On [20000425 16:10], Rami Al-Lolah (RamiLolah@nesma.net.sa) wrote:
What the FUCK is going ON here !!!!!!!!!!!!1
For people representing the top of the Internet engineers I have seen a lot of disrespect for: - netiquette - point of views and opinions expressed by other people Could we please go back to a liststate in which people who have npthing useful to contribute be quiet? Thanks for the consideration, kind regards, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator <jruigrok@via-net-works.nl> VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl When Silence cries... Is it what I feel? Or is it what you really long to be..?
Well, up to the point at which your message hit the lists, we were having a quiet, civilised discussion, and Hans-Petter had just reminded us of what the franchise of each list is. On 25-Apr-2000 Rami Al-Lolah wrote:
What the FUCK is going ON here !!!!!!!!!!!!1
----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Petter Holen <hph@infostream.no> To: John Charles Broomfield <jbroom@manta.outremer.com>; Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> Cc: <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <local-ir@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list
If we accept that RIPE has a duty to its members and is under the obligation to serve them, and as such that this mailing list is for its members, then messages to local-ir/lir-wg shouldn't really be considered as public, but as informational for the members of RIPE. In other words, INTERNAL. Or are non lir individuals allowed on these lists?
local-ir is restricted to members of the RIPE NCC Association lir-wg is an open list to all interested in policy matters, see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/lir/index.html for its charter and other info related to this workinggroup.
For a period of time almost all discussions has taken place in the open forum (lir-wg).
There is however a very low overlap between local-ir and lir-wg so I for one have started sending anouncements to multiple lists.
Btw, the "which lists is for what" has been on the slides for the last couple of LIR meetings.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen LIR-WG chair
-- Tel: +44 171 864 4450 Fax: +44 171 864 4488 Well I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted (James Thurber) (http://www.seanet.com/~thurber/disenchanted.gif)
Well, up to the point at which your message hit the lists, we were having a quiet, civilised discussion, and Hans-Petter had just reminded us of what
franchise of each list is.
On 25-Apr-2000 Rami Al-Lolah wrote:
What the FUCK is going ON here !!!!!!!!!!!!1
----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Petter Holen <hph@infostream.no> To: John Charles Broomfield <jbroom@manta.outremer.com>; Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> Cc: <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <local-ir@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list
If we accept that RIPE has a duty to its members and is under the obligation to serve them, and as such that this mailing list is for its members,
I have to agree with that this is hardly the place for these discussions - can those that wish to continue debating this subject, which has no interest to our business whatsoever, please form a sub group with a unique email address and continue their discussion in private. James Boyce Real Data Services Limited ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Titley <nigel.titley@level3.com> To: Rami Al-Lolah <RamiLolah@nesma.net.sa> Cc: <local-ir@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 04:18 Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list the then
messages to local-ir/lir-wg shouldn't really be considered as public, but as informational for the members of RIPE. In other words, INTERNAL. Or are non lir individuals allowed on these lists?
local-ir is restricted to members of the RIPE NCC Association lir-wg is an open list to all interested in policy matters, see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/lir/index.html for its charter and other info related to this workinggroup.
For a period of time almost all discussions has taken place in the open forum (lir-wg).
There is however a very low overlap between local-ir and lir-wg so I for one have started sending anouncements to multiple lists.
Btw, the "which lists is for what" has been on the slides for the last couple of LIR meetings.
Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen LIR-WG chair
-- Tel: +44 171 864 4450 Fax: +44 171 864 4488 Well I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted (James Thurber) (http://www.seanet.com/~thurber/disenchanted.gif)
At 16:19 25-04-00 +0100, you wrote:
I have to agree with that this is hardly the place for these discussions - can those that wish to continue debating this subject, which has no interest to our business whatsoever, please form a sub group with a unique email address and continue their discussion in private.
James Boyce Real Data Services Limited
I must disagree this is the place to discuss something that should concern all members of RIPE, for 11 months of the year this list is dormant with only the occasional posting from RIPE itself. Yours Mark Siegler Sales E-mail sales@netalia.com Tech E-mail tech@netalia.com Netalia Internet Ltd. PO BOX 17364 London NW2 2WY UK Sales Freephone 0800 358 0084 General 020 7431 8811 Fax 020 7431 6688 Tech 020 8922 7574
I must disagree this is the place to discuss something that should concern all members of RIPE, for 11 months of the year this list is dormant with only the occasional posting from RIPE itself.
I agree with you Mark, If there are people that are not interested in receiving that kind of mails, that they unsubscribe from the mailing lists, and that they read the lists on the archives on the RIPE website. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail-archives/lir-wg/index.html
Yours Mark Siegler
Sales E-mail sales@netalia.com Tech E-mail tech@netalia.com
Netalia Internet Ltd. PO BOX 17364 London NW2 2WY UK
Sales Freephone 0800 358 0084 General 020 7431 8811 Fax 020 7431 6688 Tech 020 8922 7574
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Hi, On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 04:19:16PM +0100, James Boyce wrote:
I have to agree with that this is hardly the place for these discussions - can those that wish to continue debating this subject, which has no interest to our business whatsoever, please form a sub group with a unique email address and continue their discussion in private.
Interesting point. "This subject has no interest to our business whatsoever". Don't you do Internet business, handing out IP addresses to your clients? Don't you use RIPE NCC services? This discussion is *highly* relevant to those considering themselves part of the RIPE community - as problems in the RIPE NCC area (long hostmaster queue, employee fluctuation, etc.) directly affects the way "we" can do Internet busineess. <mild flame> If you don't think that affects you, maybe you should close down your LIR and unsubscribe from all the RIPE lists? Then you will automatically stop getting mails about "those topics". </mild flame> Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- SpaceNet GmbH Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
Please STOP THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you guys just simply stop discussing about if this discussion is appropriate or not? This would cool down our inboxes and does not straight out the real problem anyways? Thank you. Steffen Ebert +++ EULINK Media GmbH - Ein Unternehmen der EULINK-Gruppe +++ Giessen +++ Wien +++ Boeblingen +++ www.eulink.de +++ www.eulink.at +++ You surf the web - we make the waves! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gert Doering, Netmaster" <netmaster@space.net> To: "James Boyce" <james@getreal.co.uk> Cc: "Nigel Titley" <nigel.titley@level3.com>; "Rami Al-Lolah" <RamiLolah@nesma.net.sa>; <local-ir@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Recent Mails to the list
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 04:19:16PM +0100, James Boyce wrote:
I have to agree with that this is hardly the place for these discussions - can those that wish to continue debating this subject, which has no interest to our business whatsoever, please form a sub group with a unique email address and continue their discussion in private.
Interesting point. "This subject has no interest to our business whatsoever".
Don't you do Internet business, handing out IP addresses to your clients?
Don't you use RIPE NCC services?
This discussion is *highly* relevant to those considering themselves part of the RIPE community - as problems in the RIPE NCC area (long hostmaster queue, employee fluctuation, etc.) directly affects the way "we" can do Internet busineess.
<mild flame> If you don't think that affects you, maybe you should close down your LIR and unsubscribe from all the RIPE lists? Then you will automatically stop getting mails about "those topics". </mild flame>
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- SpaceNet GmbH Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
participants (21)
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Axel Pawlik -
EULINK Hostmaster -
Fabrizio Beria -
Gert Doering, Netmaster -
Hans Petter Holen -
James Boyce -
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven -
Joao Luis Silva Damas -
John Charles Broomfield -
Mihail Dobrev -
Neil J. McRae -
Nigel Titley -
Pieterjan d'Hertog -
Poul-Henning Kamp -
Rami Al-Lolah -
Randy Bush -
registry＠EU.net -
ripe＠netalia.com -
Ryan O`Connell -
Siegfried Langenbach -
tin＠castel.nl