Berislav Todorovic wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Jeroen Massar wrote:

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And now the good part about his IPv8 and IPv16 delusion. (Yep nicely pasted from ietf lists which he also spammed and to which he doesn't have an answer as it undermines it all ;)

Jeroen and others,

In order to save our mailing lists, please STOP any discussion with this guy. IPv8 and IPv16 are myths, like "C+@" was (an older Jim's "invention", in the time he used to flood C++ related newsgroups).

If you actually read it you would have read also that I know that it is a myth and that he is abusing the wordings of IPv8 (actually PIP). I didn't know that he used to spam the C++ newsgroups though :) Apparently that went away. So I wonder how that succeeded.

Answering Jim only encourages him to send more and more clueless lists of URL's.

Actually he doesn't have an answer and can't possibly answer with a lot of clueless url's of which the only reason doing that possibly is to pollute the web archives and get a higher linkage score on google etc. And it certainly pollutes as the signal to noise ratio is disturbing at the moment, if someone tries to seek in them now they would only see a load of spam and move on to the next place possibly skipping useful information.

Hans Peter, you still around? Most people asked for removal of Jim from this mailing list. So, since there is a de facto consensus on this issue can you, as a chair, ask RIPE NCC to act?

Indeed, like on all the other lists he has spammed. They banned him from the IETF lists for a month and after that he simply started all over again. Currently he prefers RIPE lists though :( Greets, Jeroen

Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:29:52PM -0000, Neil J. McRae wrote:

As a member of the RIPE community I'd like to formally ask the chairpeople of the LIR-WG to remove Jim Flemings subscription to this list [and anyother RIPE lists].

I have for a long time argued for "the RIPE lists have to be *open*", but I want to second Neil's request now. Jim Fleming is not listening, and just disturbing the open processes. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 50279 (49875) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299

Hello, Quote from Neil J. McRae: } > As a member of the RIPE community I'd like to formally } > ask the chairpeople of the LIR-WG to remove Jim Flemings } > subscription to this list [and anyother RIPE lists]. Quote from Gert Doering: } I have for a long time argued for "the RIPE lists have to be *open*", } but I want to second Neil's request now. Jim Fleming is not listening, } and just disturbing the open processes. I already privately suggested this to Hans, but I thought I might as well suggest it publicly: The RIPE lists already use some sort of a spam assassin to keep clean. Instead of trying to ban the said entity from the list, the phrases "ipv8" and "ipv16" should be added to the list of definitive spam words in the spam filter. They are not relevant with what RIPE is meant to oversee the same way sex, drugs and rock'n'roll aren't. That way, if the said entity ever wants to make a worth-while contribution nothing will prevent it, and our high goals of openness can still be met. -- Aleksi Suhonen / Axu TM Oy

On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 10:47, John M. Brown wrote:

problem with this idea is that JF doesn't always use those terms in his other non-relavant emails. JF simply is abusing the entire process and should have his posting privs revoked completely.

Has anyone taken the step of talking to his bosses at Ameritech?

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-----Original Message----- From: lir-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:lir-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Aleksi Suhonen Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:10 PM To: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [lir-wg] JF-spam

Hello,

Quote from Neil J. McRae: } > As a member of the RIPE community I'd like to formally } > ask the chairpeople of the LIR-WG to remove Jim Flemings } > subscription to this list [and anyother RIPE lists].

Quote from Gert Doering: } I have for a long time argued for "the RIPE lists have to be *open*", } but I want to second Neil's request now. Jim Fleming is not listening, } and just disturbing the open processes.

I already privately suggested this to Hans, but I thought I might as well suggest it publicly:

The RIPE lists already use some sort of a spam assassin to keep clean. Instead of trying to ban the said entity from the list, the phrases "ipv8" and "ipv16" should be added to the list of definitive spam words in the spam filter. They are not relevant with what RIPE is meant to oversee the same way sex, drugs and rock'n'roll aren't.

That way, if the said entity ever wants to make a worth-while contribution nothing will prevent it, and our high goals of openness can still be met.

-- Aleksi Suhonen / Axu TM Oy

On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:40:04PM +0000, Matthew Robinson wrote:

Perhaps Jim could be asked to place a little more thought and content to his posts so that we could perhaps take his ideas forward rather than just being annoyed with them?

Very diplomatically put. I have taken the time to read his proposals. Having done that, I added the following to my .procmailrc: :0: * ^From:.*JimFleming@ameritech.net /dev/null -- Paul Martin <pm@zetnet.net>

On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:29:52PM -0000, Neil J. McRae wrote: | As a member of the RIPE community I'd like to formally | ask the chairpeople of the LIR-WG to remove Jim Flemings | subscription to this list [and anyother RIPE lists]. I would like to take this opportunity to voice my strong doubts on the contributions to the RIPE community of Fleming. In the 6BONE community, we have seen a high amount of noise a year or so ago, and particularly the IPv8/IPv16 and senseless URL paste actions lead me to believe that there can be no good from him being able to post to the RIPE fora. I'd like to suggest revoking Jim's posting privileges. groet, Pim -- __________________ Met vriendelijke groet, /\ ___/ Pim van Pelt /- \ _/ Business Internet Trends BV PBVP1-RIPE /--- \/ __________________