Re: [lir-wg] AS Number Policy
1. How long does the community believe it is reasonable to take to bring an AS 'on-line'?
What is the definiton of "on-line" here? Wilfried. _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" wrote:
1. How long does the community believe it is reasonable to take to bring an AS 'on-line'?
What is the definiton of "on-line" here?
RIPE is running the RIS and is collecting data from many route servers at exchange points and other places. If a AS does not appear in any of these datasets it is most likely not online in the global Internet. -- Andre
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
1. How long does the community believe it is reasonable to take to bring an AS 'on-line'?
What is the definiton of "on-line" here?
I think it depends on how RIPE are going to check that. AFAIK RIPE uses RIS (http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/) for that. -- Regards, Vladimir.
In the documentation for address space provision is made for assigning addresses to organisations that will NEVER be connected to the Internet but require uniqueness from private address space. Whilst I can't think of a specific example to apply to AS numbers, should this uniqueness be extended to AS numbers that do not show up in the routing table but are very much on-line? I also recon 3 months to get online although given the length of time it can take a big comapany to integrate a small one lets say 12 months for returning. Kind regards Matthew
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 02:42:26PM +0300, Vladimir A. Jakovenko wrote:
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
1. How long does the community believe it is reasonable to take to bring an AS 'on-line'?
What is the definiton of "on-line" here?
I think it depends on how RIPE are going to check that.
Yes. I had recently a lengthy "discussion" with RIPE hostmasters about a multihomed AS of a customer. Primary upstream with us, secondary upstream with AS702. Using 702:80 community to lower localpref within 702, making the backup link real backup. As 702 announces best path (which is via their peering to us to the customer), RIPE was unable to see the 702 backup announcement anywhere. Explanation of BGP basics by myself were not understood or ignored. Or both. They also did not contact AS702 for simple confirmation of what I've told them. Took three or four emails to get that finally sorted out. Whom do I bill those 30-45 minutes to (rhetoric question)? ;-> End of the story was that they finally said "We have found AS21197 in the import policy of AS702 and going to close this ticket now." :-]]] IF they really want to enforce ASN assignment policy, they should REALLY have to have a clue about BGP. Looking at some random looking glasses or RIS data and not understanding it is NOT enough for a policy-enforcing agency. And someone should explain them the difference between a looking glass and a traceroute server. Let's say... Halabi as compulsary lecture for hostmasters who have to evaluate ASN assignment policy compliance. :-) Regards, Daniel
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Daniel Roesen wrote:
End of the story was that they finally said "We have found AS21197 in the import policy of AS702 and going to close this ticket now." :-]]]
Complete waste of time and energy. No wonder why the hostmaster queue is so long these days ... ;->
Let's say... Halabi as compulsary lecture for hostmasters who have to evaluate ASN assignment policy compliance. :-)
Nope ... the policy evaulation must be kept as simple as possible: statement from both the customer itself, as well as at least 2 peers stated in the aut-num that there is a valid peering relationship in place must be enough to verify the policy. The customer must be asked first to update the aut-num. That same process is used when a new AS is assigned, so why invent something else for AS number usage evaluation? Of course, the problem of contacting the right party still exists. Regards, Beri
On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 01:36:39PM +0200, Berislav Todorovic wrote:
End of the story was that they finally said "We have found AS21197 in the import policy of AS702 and going to close this ticket now." :-]]]
Complete waste of time and energy. No wonder why the hostmaster queue is so long these days ... ;->
Exactly THAT was what I was thinking of, too.
Of course, the problem of contacting the right party still exists.
Yep. It's often hard to write to the correct email addr if you want to contact ASN XYZ about routing things. Often, aut-nums have only "ripe-notify@..." etc. as addresses, tech-c being persons instead of role emails etc. (mailing persons instead of role email addresses is usually not the best thing to do).... Regards, Daniel
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Andre Oppermann -
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Matthew Robinson -
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Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet