According to Andrew Stesin:
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:
1) There do exists some part of RIPE community (ISPs from Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine - about 45) that is served by RosNIIROS. ^ only 1 LIR from Ukraine, though; you are serving mostly Russian territory
Of course, I'm not going to make some secret from the fact that these ISP mainly represent Russia. Only one remark: some of ISPs that have signed "Memorandum" (Relcom, Sovam, ...) serve the territory of FSU.
As you can notice, these items follow two stages described in ripe-167. I still think that this document is reasonable as far as it reflects reality, though the argumentation is not fully adequate.
A better document is badly needed, anyway -- don't you agree?
Of course, but I never insisted that ripe-167 gives all details. It's just some direction to move. The only question is: if we understand that the direction is right, shall we move or we need detailed plan from the beginning to the final? The main contradiction between our positions (if I understand) is that I prefer to move immediately, step by step, even if we have no detailed plan for all path.
It seems to me, that the above text doesn't contrdict your position or I don't understand anything.
We -- means you and me :) -- got some understanding, that's it.
So would you mind reviewing my own answers (on your behalf) to my own questions, please?
The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including ^^^^ Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above) are?
You answer should be: "we" means the community, represented by the working group recently formed. Yes?
you are right
I have to do something with the community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,
Why do you think you *have to* do something? What's wrong with current state of affairs? Why something should be changed?
Ok, let's consider the above 3 questions answered by you already. You already have customers, you want to continue your activities and expand them, and to survive financialy, and to increase quality of service. Be it so.
Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR to adjucent countries? this last question is the most interesting and important for me.
And this one? am I right feeling that if you are serving a single LIR in Ukraine, you feel that the whole Ukraine should be served by you also?
no. You again mix things. On the first step we give the _opportunity_ to be served in RIPE NCC office for all who prefer it. As for the second step, I repeat once more - it'not clear how to do, and with large probability it's not RosNIIROS that will be the base for RIR. As it was mentioned already, the optimal scheme is RNA.
Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and only real problem?
And this question I'd like to ask: did you consider some ways of increasing the quality of your service, other than getting a "RIPE Office" and "RIR" label, but just remaining to be RosNIIROS?
I'm quite sure that without coordination with RIPE, both financial and organizational, it's impossible to do something reasonable.
Best regards, Andrew Stesin
nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
Best regards, Alexei Platonov