On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:21:56PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
To me, this rather sounds like a case for revisiting reservation, rather than arguing for a new registry type/structure/rules.
Am I missing something?
Multi-level allocations are a utility to handle network aggregation smaller than the full LIR allocation. E.g. you chose small assignments of networks routed to a particular PoP or reseller to fall within the same /24 (or some other possible arbitrary allocation size). The /24 is therefore 'allocated' to that PoP or reseller independent of this fact being documented in the RIPE DB or not. And yes, this does 'reserve' address space, but that's a problem of the LIR in question. RIPE won't see the 'reserved' addresses and won't hand out more addresses to the LIR and the amount of addresses reserved by this procedure tends to be very small if the allocation size is chosen reasonably. Documentation in the RIPE DB makes the procedure more transparent and also helps in organizing responsibilities, as the actual data gathering and communication is most often done by the reseller and not directly by the LIR. But this is not strictly necessary as you can document 'sub allocations' and responsibilities outside of the RIPE-DB. In fact, we stored such 'sub allocations' in the RIPE-DB for some years for exactly that purpose until RIPE NCC requested to remove these records because it conflicted with their 'overlapping assignment validation'-tool. RIPE NCC never understood the reasoning behind the multi-level allocations and I still remember the fruitless discussions with RIPE hostmasters from that time. I do not see the need to introduce new registry types or structures unless you believe that 'selling the right to assign IP addresses to entities down the hierarchy' is a valid reason. Just my EUR0.02. Michael van Elst
Wilfried. ______________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:58:24 +0200 From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> To: Adrian Bool <aid@vianw.net> CC: lir-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [hostmaster-staff] Re: MIR proposal
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:05:41PM +0100, Adrian Bool wrote:
I feel that international networks require the ability to operate according to the same rules as RIPE - just working on a smaller scale - as another level down in the hierarchy.
Not only "international networks", but also national ones that have a hierarchical structure of re-sellers.
i.e We should should be able to apply for more IP space once we have sub-allocated 80% of our allocation to our in-country networks - natuarally in a responsible manner, according to the same rules that an RIR would allocate space to these in-country networks.
Sure.
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