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-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Stesin <stesin@gu.net> To: Sergey A. Mukhin <violet@rosnet.net> Cc: lir-wg@ripe.net <lir-wg@ripe.net>; ncc@ripe.net <ncc@ripe.net> Date: 19 tebp`k 1998 c. 18:52 Subject: Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Sergey A. Mukhin wrote:
On the other hand there is a tendency to a fast growing number of LIRs in the fSU countries and it might make sense for RIPE itself to establish its office or RIR for those who agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Office" -- no problem, but not "RIR"! How can RIPE establish a RIR without an agreement in the community of the region served? RIR creation should be initiated by the representative community, not RIPE, or am I missing something?
Andrei, stop!
Please, be cool. Who proposed RIR without such agreement, without bottom-up scheme? I don't know such persons among us.
But I'm simply tired to discuss the same things in parallel on two different languages with the same persons :-).
local-ir@ripn.net and lir-wg@ripe.net
Moreover, I think it could be useful to compare the style and content of these lists :-) I'm not interested to discuss language, historical and politics aspects.
More important - is to join forces in organization of self-regulation bottom-up scheme.
Opinions on newIANA scheme will be more interesting; it is correlated, in principle, with our discussion. I know TLD-WG papers - but it is more significant then TLDs problems.
to be served there to get load off the main office. ( Not a business of mine, I agree. ) Consider the size of fSU region.
fSU is not a region. Please use non-political but geographical terms for defining region borders.
It is separate question - why IANA determined years ago geographical principle.
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I'm afraid that ripe-167 is just very unclear and uncertain at this point.
Yes, if today to write such document - it will be different - RNA - CENTR - newIANA... It is new experience.
I meant just the following effect of the Soviet Union: 6 years are not enough for a new generation who knows English rather than Russia; not enough to get old communications completely changed.
Please leave alone this old crap about English/Russian language. If you are a LIR (and RIR serves LIRs) you ought to know English, point. If you don't know English, you are the customer of a LIR where staff is more knowlegeable
But I never met technical discussions in English inside CIS :-) - people use Russian, except preparation official documents. Russian is simply working language - technical slang is a mix of Russian with English words. All guys know English to follow procedure - that's right.
I think, that one of the problem that in English the most people use one word for different things. Russian as language and Russian as Rossiyanin. But Rossiyanin isn't necessary Russian. Russian language is an international communication language, not such widespread as English.
It is interesting - what I mentioned on Meeting and in local-ir - that the most never read in English any RIPE's principal documents on organization, policy issues, funding, except contract and procedure requirements.
I don't want to continue these discussion on language themes. It is separate story - more interesting to see Japanese, Chinese... Life will show right way.
I don't want to be an advocate of any inappropriative scheme for community. I can't agree with some arguementation during this discussion.
Regards, Dmitri PS For Europe - what does it mean Russian? My daughters could be named British, Eestonian, French, German, Jewish, Russian, Swedish. Who they are? :-)