I think the chair of RIPE did the best he possibly could given the time constraints put on us by ICANN, which imho are somewhat excessive considering the time the whole establishment of ICANN has taken, but this is another point. The meeting discussed and agreed that *for this initial time* an ad-hoc procedure needed to be used because those present felt that the process needs to move on. Once address council members had been selected those present were asked whether the selection was carried out as well as possible under the circumstances and there was consensus that we had done the best we could. *** It was also agreed that a better procedure needs to be established for the next *** wround of selections. This will be done over the next two RIPE meetings. Those that have ideas in this respect are more than welcome to help with it. Contact Rob Blokzijl in order to participate in the work. So I believe your concerns are already recognised and were recognised by those participating in the meeting. Daniel