Hello all, On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Igor Romanenko wrote: [...]
1. The process of creating the new RIR should be suspended since it's not obvious what will be created and why. 2. Another document should be issued with much more solid motivation (if you have it) and the document should clearly state how the intended process of transition would work, what region will be served, etc. 3. The new document should be discussed then.
That's exactly what I was proposing. Thanks to you Igor for better formal explanation.
If all you've said during this discussion w.r.t. your intentions holds true, then you should clearly see this approach as advantegeous.
Yes, this approach *is* advantageous! I beleive that the very best intentions were the only background of ripe-167; but this fact remained unclear and unexplained in details. The latter approach will allow to make everything clear, explained and obvious -- thus better probability of painless adoption of the proposal by the community. [...]
The discussion surely _will_ continue to infinity if you do not have well-motivated, well-argumented proposals with clearly stated purpose and with support from the majority of LIRs situated in every country/territory you want to serve. If you cannot get support - do not include the territory. If your motivation is not accepted by the community you want to serve - you have wrong motivation.
Yes, that's it. It would be nice to hear comments on this last paragraph of Igor's notes from other readers of the list -- I think either Igor's approach is correct here, or I have a fundamentally wrong understanding of the decision process in RIPE. Thanks in advanse.
Would you like to start _practical_ work without clear understanding of the tasks you want to carry out, without clear understanding of whom do you serve and what are advantages of being served by you? If so, then the professional level of the new RIR (or RIPE NCC Office in Moscow for that matter) would seem to be... low.
[... a question to Alexei Platonov: ...]
So, in a nutshell, you want to say the following: "I am serving some 50 LIRs now for free. I want to get money for my service. Currently my service is bad but as you pay me money, it will become more appropriate. Take my word for it. Now, since I want to establish the RIR, I need to indicate the region. I'm serving several LIRs from abroad Russia, so let the region be FSU. And no, I do not have good arguments for why the RIR should be created except we need money badly to increase the level of service. But see guys - I'm honest! Take my vows for it!"
Right?
It looks like this is pretty close to truth... comments? Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE