Hi, Peter Galbavy wrote:
Most contracts are commercially confidential and also sensitive. I do not expect either myself of my customers or suppliers to provide this to RIPE 'just because'.
Me neither. I never said that anyone should copies of the contracts to the RIPE. I did mean a simple form like: ----------- 8< ----------------- 8< -------------------- 8< --------------- Lir: eu.newlir <Lir Adress Data etc> Will receive ip-transit and BGP4-Peering from the follwing ISPs within X Months: ISP-A ISP-B <Adress etc> <Adress etc.> Signature Signature --------- ---------- ----------- 8< ----------------- 8< -------------------- 8< --------------- I hope you get what i mean.
Also, we should collectively remember that each country the RIPE operates in may have different legal requirements and regulatory frameworks. Most of the EU is similar, but as an anecdote, I believe RIPE still requires a 'chamber of commerce' certificate ?
As far as i remember they require _some_ formal writtem paper about the jurisdictional existance of a company which wants to become a LIR. The "chamber of commerce" certificate is AFAIK not neccessary. You can even get away without any certificate i think.
[..] Try to convince a hidebound beaurocrat stuck in a small office on Singel that though. Why should RIPE dictate my local business decisions ?
I fail to c where this really hinders your business. On the other hand i can really understand that you want to keep the formal, bureaucratic stuff like signed forms low :) This proposal just came out of my experiences while working with or for various ISPs in Europe where i often noticed that ISPs obtained AS-Nums allthough they didnt needed them then, and most of them dont use them today. All they hear is that the AS-Number supply is limted, AS-Numbers are for free => and they are out to get one => Results in unused AS-Numbers. best regards, Arnd -- NetHead Network Design and Security Arnd Vehling av@nethead.De Gummersbacherstr. 27 Phone: +49 221 8809210 50679 Köln Fax : +49 221 8809212