Andrei, I don't like to continue discussion in such form. I see also that you don't want to say that you are afraid of your goverment, even you are afraid of discussion on these theme.
Dima, you continue to insist on this reason. I'll not try to persuade you (for the third time in a raw) that you are wrong. Instead I'll ask you: well, imagine you are right. What then? How will this influence the new RIR creation except adding reasons against it?
I can understand your problems, but I can't agree, when you substituted arguments and problems.
For example, you escaped to discuss alternative place for RIR in Kijev
The correct spelling is Kyiv, clumsy as it is ;) And I've not heard someone _seriously_ proposing this. I mean: where are you going to recruit the staff, what about the apartments, etc. Well, I hope that UA.LUCKYNET will be able to resolve these problems if it comes to it. ;) And even then I'd be against such a thing if the argumentation will remain as weak as it is now and if the purpose/reason will remain as undefined.
because your real opinion based on your experience with your postsoviet goverment that a single garantee for you - to be under RIPE coverage.
Dima, are you _that_ naive? Really? If my postsoviet, etc. government will decide to teach me some lessons - it will not matter _much_ whether UA.LUCKYNET is served by RIPE NCC, RIPE NCC Office in Moscow or RIPE NCC Office in Kyiv. I'll get the lesson straight in my... rear part.
Be honest and strong or I mistakened and I never heard such words from you and your friends.
May be you are referring to my words during the meeting then. To understand them the unprepared reader (who BTW will most surely skip this discussion altogether) needs to know about the context. During the Moscow meeting several persons including you and Mr.Platonov gave one more argument for RIR creation. You've said that Russian government is going to get serious hold on the Internet development in Russia. (So it is _you_ who is afraid of _your_ government ;) You have said something to the effect that other CIS countries are either experiencing same problems or are going to experience them RSN (tm). One of the steps Russian government will excercise, said Mr.Platonov, would be to create "governmental" RIR and then influence Internet market through this RIR. [As a sidenote, knowing what ROSNIIROS or RIPN is and how it've been created, one gets serious suspicion that Mr.Platonov is doing this very thing - but I'm not interested in this]. Now, the international status of RIR, said you, would make it more difficult for _any_ government to control it (again, who is afraid?). As an answer, I've told you that if Ukrainian government will try this, the fact of RIR being in Moscow will play _against_ me. Should I tell you why? And does this mean that I'm afraid of my government more than you are?
In such case, sorry guys...
"Apologies accepted" (c) Dart Weider ;))))
Regards, Dmitri
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