Hi, Sebastian Willing wrote:
When starting as a LIR, you don't always have your upstreams. When we applied for LIR status we had two upstreams handy, with signed contracts and everything. At the time we finally got our AS, one of the upstreams was no longer existent. Today, providers, LIRs and upstreams come and go so fast.
Sure, becoming a LIR and obtaining an AS-Number are two very different things. You dont need to be a LIR to get an AS-Number. You can apply for an AS-Number as soon as you have routeable ip-space and 2 upstreams for BGP4 peering. (Please correct me if they did change that recently)
To keep the administrative overhead small, I'ld suggest to let the new AS- owner show at least two agreements within "x" month after the assignment of the AS-# only if there are less than two verified peerings. I'ld see a verified peering as a record in both AS's whois-entry _and_ seen on the RIPE BGP-router (or on some other "neutral" point, like EP routers).
If the RIPE will check for active announcements of AS-Nums there is no real need for a written proof for the BGP4-upstreams, thats right. But IMO, the rquirement of a written verification will cut down the number of as-numbers which will get revoked later on. best regards, Arnd -- NetHead Network Design and Security Arnd Vehling av@nethead.De Gummersbacherstr. 27 Phone: +49 221 8809210 50679 Köln Fax : +49 221 8809212