Dear Marc, thank you for pointing out to this problem, and please receive apologies for the delays that happened recently. Here is what is causing them: RIPE Working Groups mailing lists are moderated lists, so that only subscribers can post to them (to prevent "spam"). Still, lists are open for subscription to everyone. Bounced messages go to the human moderator, and are being looked into and manually approved, at least twice a day, during working days. If the message is sent after working hours, or on the weekend, its approval will be delayed, and that will indeed confuse the archiving. To improve the situation, it would be helpful if mailing list members would post from the same address that they are subscribed from. However, due to the parallel discussions that happen on several mailing lists, or relevant postings done only once from non-subscribers, or messages that get bounced because they have a word "subscribe" in the body, it is inevitable that this kind of behaviour of the mailing list archiving will sometimes occur. We are looking at this problem at RIPE NCC, and will improve our archiving software. We apologise again for any inconvenience. Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC staff Marc Roger <marc@belnet.be> writes: * Dear NCC, * * I have just received the following messages addressed to the lir-wg * mailing-list, that were apparently sent more than four days ago: * * Andre Opperman Fri, 11 May 2001 20:52:19 +0200 <3AFC34E3.5A816 * A2C@telehouse.ch> * Havard Eidnes <he@runit.no> Fri, 11 May 2001 19:04:45 +0200 <20010511190445 * J.he@runit.no> * * In both messages I see that it was processed by qmail at the RIPE mail * server today at 09:44 and that they do not appear in the lir-wg archives * at their original posting date, which indicates that the problem is not * local: see * http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail-archives/lir-wg/current/mail3.html * * This is not the first occurence of this phenomenon, eg on May 9th at 11:31 * I have received the following announcement: * * Return-Path: <owner-sst@belnet.be> * Received: from vivaldi.belnet.be (vivaldi.belnet.be [193.190.198.2]) * by dagesh.fw.belnet.be (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f499VvM23656 * for <sst@office.belnet.be>; Wed, 9 May 2001 11:31:57 +0200 (MEST) * Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) * by vivaldi.belnet.be (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f499Vuw11762 * for <ir@belnet.be>; Wed, 9 May 2001 11:31:56 +0200 (MEST) * Received: (qmail 1707 invoked by alias); 9 May 2001 09:23:44 -0000 * Delivered-To: lists-local-ir-reg@lists.ripe.net * Received: (qmail 1558 invoked by alias); 9 May 2001 09:23:36 -0000 * Delivered-To: lists-local-ir-out@lists.ripe.net * Received: (qmail 1475 invoked by uid 66); 9 May 2001 09:23:31 -0000 * Message-Id: <200105041452.QAA11314@office.ripe.net> * To: ripe-list@ripe.net * Cc: local-ir@ripe.net, lir-wg@ripe.net * From: RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service <ncc@ripe.net> * Subject: New Document available: RIPE-220 * X-Phone: +31 20 535 4444 * X-Fax: +31 20 535 4445 * Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:52:47 +0200 * Sender: owner-local-ir@ripe.net * Precedence: bulk * * (which is also archived under "09 May 2001" on the ML archives) * * It is not possible to follow a discussion if messages are randomly delayed * by several days like this. Can I kindly ask the RIPE NCC to fix this * problem ? * * -- * Marc.Roger@belnet.be, BELNET, the National Research Network * * * * * *