On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Sergey A. Mukhin wrote:
On the other hand there is a tendency to a fast growing number of LIRs in the fSU countries and it might make sense for RIPE itself to establish its office or RIR for those who agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Office" -- no problem, but not "RIR"! How can RIPE establish a RIR without an agreement in the community of the region served? RIR creation should be initiated by the representative community, not RIPE, or am I missing something?
to be served there to get load off the main office. ( Not a business of mine, I agree. ) Consider the size of fSU region.
fSU is not a region. Please use non-political but geographical terms for defining region borders.
A> Who else rises the hand? Mr. Alexey Platonov (Moscow, A> RosNIIROS), and Mr. Anatoly Kramer (Moscow, ??? -- who A> doesn't even aware of what e-mail is, AFAIK) -- two men, A> two Russian semi-governmental organisations, each wants A> to establish a "big registry" in Moscow, and to extend the scope A> of this RIR to adjucent countries, taking away any choice A> of where to be served from those countries.
Well, and who was 'contra' except Ukraine?
Ok, but who was present but Russia and Ukraine? Russia was "pro", Ukraine was "contra". 1:1
awaiting for votes "contra". There were no more "contra" yet.
ripe-167 is way too unclear for everyone to get its main ideas in a moment.
Any people decide most ( or all ) of their own problems theirselves.
A> This statement of yours contradicts directly with the A> approach of ripe-167 document.
I am afraid you mistreat the approach.
I'm afraid that ripe-167 is just very unclear and uncertain at this point.
But sometimes it is better to unite to get the solutions easier.
A> Would you mind explaining the benefits of uniting with you, please. A> (Let's note that this last statement of yours has nothing close A> to ripe-167's content at all). No offense: friendship and A> union are different things, aren't they?
I meant benefits of uniting .(point)
There are some benefits and some losses...
If you suppose uniting of everybody but us, that sounds a bit odd, does not it?
I don't like the idea of *any* union with *anyone* until it will be though out carefully in all the details and everything will be obvious, certain and clear.
A> Pretty simple: some people here in Ukraine (me among them) A> have a strong feeling that some Moscow guys want to "unite" A> us with them without taking our opinion into attentions.
I am afraid I would never understand such a point of view. We declare free choice for all.
Would you mind pointing me at the written document where one can get a clear and certain statement of this?
I meant just the following effect of the Soviet Union: 6 years are not enough for a new generation who knows English rather than Russia; not enough to get old communications completely changed.
Please leave alone this old crap about English/Russian language. If you are a LIR (and RIR serves LIRs) you ought to know English, point. If you don't know English, you are the customer of a LIR where staff is more knowlegeable. Agreed?
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