On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:
Andrew, sorry, but I want to make only two remarks. It seems to me, that it would be better for me to stop participating in this discussion as far as: I'm an advocate of goverment regulation; I want to form "Russian Union" in Internet etc. etc.
Probably you have taken my comments as an offense... please take my apologies, I just sincerely want to have all this cleared.
1) There do exists some part of RIPE community (ISPs from Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine - about 45) that is served by RosNIIROS. ^ only 1 LIR from Ukraine, though; you are serving mostly Russian territory
Let's fix that it's not interesting for me _why_ do they like such a scheme. I'm interested now only to increase the quality of service for them. Just now I cannot do it because I'd be forced to rise tariffs to have some more staff, equipment, etc. - now I just "channelize" money to RIPE NCC. The problem can be solved within existing RIPE NCC tariffs only under some status, and RIPE office is quite good.
Ok, I accept this argumentation as worth to be discussed. This is something realistic. Pity you didn't mention this argument in ripe-167.
2) The problem of RIR is much more complicated and needs further discussion. As far as you speak about ripe-167+ document, I understand that you are not rejecting this project at all.
Sure I don't and I weren't and if you recall, at Moscow meeting I was trying to add some critical parts to the decision etc. Please don't think that I just have some destructive goals "as such". But the issues we are dealing with are pretty serious, so I'd like your position to be solid and better argumented in order to be taken into account as something really creative. It wasn't solid...
I hope you are informed that working group on this problem already exists and prepares preliminary documents (and you are welcome of course, as well as any other person interested in the problem under consideration).
Yes, I'm considering this.
By the way, I'm not the member of this WG, I'm only the consultant. Some document (say, ripe-167+) will be the result of this work.
Let's wait until the new document will arrive, Ok?
As you can notice, these items follow two stages described in ripe-167. I still think that this document is reasonable as far as it reflects reality, though the argumentation is not fully adequate.
A better document is badly needed, anyway -- don't you agree?
It seems to me, that the above text doesn't contrdict your position or I don't understand anything.
We -- means you and me :) -- got some understanding, that's it. So would you mind reviewing my own answers (on your behalf) to my own questions, please?
The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including ^^^^ Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above) are?
You answer should be: "we" means the community, represented by the working group recently formed. Yes?
I have to do something with the community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,
Why do you think you *have to* do something? What's wrong with current state of affairs? Why something should be changed?
Ok, let's consider the above 3 questions answered by you already. You already have customers, you want to continue your activities and expand them, and to survive financialy, and to increase quality of service. Be it so.
Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR to adjucent countries? this last question is the most interesting and important for me.
And this one? am I right feeling that if you are serving a single LIR in Ukraine, you feel that the whole Ukraine should be served by you also?
Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and only real problem?
And this question I'd like to ask: did you consider some ways of increasing the quality of your service, other than getting a "RIPE Office" and "RIR" label, but just remaining to be RosNIIROS? Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE