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Again...Simple Question...What does RIPE pay ICANN per year for /8s ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Again...Simple Question...What does RIPE pay ICANN per year for /8s ? $0 ? $1 ? $1,000 ? $100,000 ? $100,000,000 ? $200,000,000 ? ...there is an old joke about knowing who you are...now the price just has to be worked out...

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RIPE Payments to ICANN
by Chris Hallam 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

If my assumptions are correct, the point being made here is that the RIPE NCC is being questioned over the use of funds, generated from the LIRs, to support other organisations. In this case the ICANN. While it would be interesting to know the sum paid by the RIPE NCC to ICANN, as outlined in the document below, the matter is already under focus, and the remaining 50% of the contribution is not going to be paid unless the Executive Board says otherwise. If other participants of this forum agree that contributions to ICANN should be suspended, then those people need to voice their opinions to ensure the Executive Board don't change their minds. I, for one, haven't looked closely into the operations of ICANN, but if the general opinion is that, 'the RIRs can fulfil their mission without ICANN.', then I am happy to accept that judgement. The full document for the 29th Meeting of the RIPE NCC Executive Board can be found here: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/board/minutes/twenty-nine.html Financial information relating to ICANN can be found here: http://www.icann.org/financials/ One document that caught my attention was the Report of Expense Reimbursement and Other Payments to ICANN Directors: http://www.icann.org/financials/director-expenses-fye2002.htm Chris -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net] Sent: 27 November 2002 02:37 To: lir-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [lir-wg] "...need to raise funding for first half of 2003..." How much does RIPE currently pay to ICANN ? http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00184.html (3) The ICANN budget will not support much funding for the GNSO in first half of 2003, so our budget assumptions are still valid (ie the GNSO will need to raise funding for first half of 2003). ===== ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. **********************************************************************

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RE: [lir-wg] RIPE is 0:1 .NET ?
by Chris Ransley 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Jim do you possibly have nothing better to do. Please stop sending such JUNK it is not appreciated. Best Regards, Christian Ransley B.Sc. Web & Technical Services Manager Keyworld Ltd. UB42, Industrial Zone San Gwann SGN 09 Tel: (+356) 2540 2540 Fax: (+356) 2540 9999 Email: webmaster(a)keyworld.net Website: http://www.keyworld.net -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:35 PM To: lir-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [lir-wg] RIPE is 0:1 .NET ? http://www.icann.org/general/amend3-jpamou-25may01.htm "1. The agreements entitled ".com Registry Agreement," ".net Registry Agreement," and ".org Registry Agreement" between ICANN and VeriSign, Inc. and relating to the provision of registry services for the .com, .net, and .org registries are hereby approved by the DOC in substitution for the Registry Agreement between ICANN and Network Solutions, Inc., effective date November 10, 1999. ICANN will not enter into any material amendment of, or substitution for, said agreements, nor will said agreements be assigned by ICANN, without prior approval of the DOC." ====== AM is 0 NZ is 1 ....but NZ is not open like AM so some people want OZ and AN.......AN...OZ NET begins with N so it would go under NZ or under AN....some want it under AN...not under OZ RIPE.NET.AN RIPE.NET.NZ In the end, the software finds the .NET TLD servers and therefore RIPE.NET... ....so .NET is in Switzerland.... http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/ ...with AM and FM (NZ)....you still have 0:82 and 1:82 http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space RIPE seems to think it has 0 and 1 (AM and FM)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo vegoda" <leo(a)ripe.net> To: <lir-wg(a)ripe.net>; <routing-wg(a)ripe.net> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu>; <apops(a)apnic.net>; <apnic-talk(a)apnic.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: [lir-wg] New IPv4 blcok allocated to RIPE NCC > Dear Colleagues, > > The RIPE NCC received the IPv4 address range 82.0.0.0/8 from the > IANA in November 2002. We will begin allocating from this range > in the near future. > > You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. > > More information on the IP space administered by the RIPE NCC > can be found on our web site at: > > <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/smallest-alloc-sizes.html> > > Kind regards, > > -- > leo vegoda > RIPE NCC > Registration Services

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RIPE is 0:1 .NET ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

http://www.icann.org/general/amend3-jpamou-25may01.htm "1. The agreements entitled ".com Registry Agreement," ".net Registry Agreement," and ".org Registry Agreement" between ICANN and VeriSign, Inc. and relating to the provision of registry services for the .com, .net, and .org registries are hereby approved by the DOC in substitution for the Registry Agreement between ICANN and Network Solutions, Inc., effective date November 10, 1999. ICANN will not enter into any material amendment of, or substitution for, said agreements, nor will said agreements be assigned by ICANN, without prior approval of the DOC." ====== AM is 0 NZ is 1 ....but NZ is not open like AM so some people want OZ and AN.......AN...OZ NET begins with N so it would go under NZ or under AN....some want it under AN...not under OZ RIPE.NET.AN RIPE.NET.NZ In the end, the software finds the .NET TLD servers and therefore RIPE.NET... ....so .NET is in Switzerland.... http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/ ...with AM and FM (NZ)....you still have 0:82 and 1:82 http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space RIPE seems to think it has 0 and 1 (AM and FM)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo vegoda" <leo(a)ripe.net> To: <lir-wg(a)ripe.net>; <routing-wg(a)ripe.net> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu>; <apops(a)apnic.net>; <apnic-talk(a)apnic.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: [lir-wg] New IPv4 blcok allocated to RIPE NCC > Dear Colleagues, > > The RIPE NCC received the IPv4 address range 82.0.0.0/8 from the > IANA in November 2002. We will begin allocating from this range > in the near future. > > You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. > > More information on the IP space administered by the RIPE NCC > can be found on our web site at: > > <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/smallest-alloc-sizes.html> > > Kind regards, > > -- > leo vegoda > RIPE NCC > Registration Services

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ITU covers "RIPE Region" and .EU
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/worksem/cctld/index.html Co-Chairmen of the Workshop: a.. Mr. Philippe DISTLER, ART, France, Chairman of ITU-T SG2 (as of 1 January 2003) b.. Mr. Willie BLACK, Nominet, UK, Chairman of CENTR =====

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Should we release the C@t ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Should we release the C@t ? http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9310/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/ http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0208/25.jaguar.php Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... IPv16...COM...NET...AM...NZ...AE...FM...NR...SZ...AC...DE...FI...JM...NO...PR...ST...UZ http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee

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Re: [lir-wg] What "Region" is RIPE ?
by Keith Talent 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

This answer from Fleming demonstrates exactly why he should be banned from this list. Until he can be bothered to find out the basics of RIPE operations, he doesn't deserve to be allowed to post. He treats the rest of us with contempt. Why should we allow him the right to stay on our lists? On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:57:23 Jim Fleming wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Talent" <keith.talent(a)eudoramail.com> >To: <lir-wg(a)ripe.net> >Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:52 AM >Subject: Re: [lir-wg] What "Region" is RIPE ? > > >> >What "Region" is RIPE ? >> >> And what region are you in, Jim? >> > >What are the choices ? > >IPv16... >COM...NET... >AM...NZ... >AE...FM...NR...SZ... >AC...DE...FI...JM...NO...PR...ST...UZ > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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What "Region" is RIPE ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

What "Region" is RIPE ? http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/data/source_add_pre_… US 704056771 (50.357%) 65945 (58.259%) 5899 (53.317%) AU 14416063 ( 1.031%) 5894 ( 5.207%) 213 ( 1.925%) CA 26436124 ( 1.891%) 5313 ( 4.694%) 239 ( 2.160%) ZA 6533529 ( 0.467%) 2703 ( 2.388%) 35 ( 0.316%) ?? 306555022 (21.926%) 2547 ( 2.250%) 276 ( 2.495%) DE 51874361 ( 3.710%) 2410 ( 2.129%) 402 ( 3.633%)

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New IPv4 blcok allocated to RIPE NCC
by leo vegoda 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC received the IPv4 address range 82.0.0.0/8 from the IANA in November 2002. We will begin allocating from this range in the near future. You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. More information on the IP space administered by the RIPE NCC can be found on our web site at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/smallest-alloc-sizes.html> Kind regards, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services

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Re: [lir-wg] RIPE Payments to ICANN
by Hank Nussbacher 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

At 02:45 AM 27-11-02 +0000, Chris Hallam wrote: I've read over: RIPE NCC Activities, Expenditures, and Charging Scheme 2002 http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ap2002.html RIPE NCC Annual Report 2001 http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ar2001.html#financial RIPE NCC Activities, Expenditures, and Charging Scheme 2003 http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ap2003.html and I have a few questions and comments: 1) Paying ICANN is part of doing being a RIR. I have no complaints here. 2) Where can I find a proposed 2002 budget, which compares itself against 2001? In the same vein, where can I find a proposed 2003 budget? I was not able to find anything like this within the RIPE document store. 3) In the annual report expenses are broken down into 4 categories: personnel, operational, RIPE meetings and LIR training and depreciation. On the other hand, the annual report breaks NCC activities down into the following main categories: registration, training, database services, test traffic (ttm), routing information (RIS), security (DISI), infrastructure, RIPE. Can RIPE NCC provide a budget whereby expenses are broken down by activity as well? Until I have answers to 2 &3 above, there is NO way I can say RIPE NCC is doing a good or bad job in managing its money and everyone else who focuses on one financial tidbit or another is just guessing as well. Without going into specifics, RIPE NCC has to realize that almost every ISP has downsized to the tune of 10-25% (if not more). Every ISP has cut back its CAPEX. Non-profits have a harder time in down-sizing and cutting back on non-essential activities since they are not profit driven. I would hope that the 2002 budget will show a reduction from the 2001 expenses of 7.8MEuro. This one facet alone will show that RIPE NCC is tracking the general ISP industry. -Hank >If my assumptions are correct, the point being made here is that the RIPE >NCC is being questioned over the use of funds, generated from the LIRs, to >support other organisations. In this case the ICANN. > >While it would be interesting to know the sum paid by the RIPE NCC to ICANN, >as outlined in the document below, the matter is already under focus, and >the remaining 50% of the contribution is not going to be paid unless the >Executive Board says otherwise. If other participants of this forum agree >that contributions to ICANN should be suspended, then those people need to >voice their opinions to ensure the Executive Board don't change their minds. > >I, for one, haven't looked closely into the operations of ICANN, but if the >general opinion is that, 'the RIRs can fulfil their mission without ICANN.', >then I am happy to accept that judgement. > >The full document for the 29th Meeting of the RIPE NCC Executive Board can >be found here: >http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/board/minutes/twenty-nine.html > >Financial information relating to ICANN can be found here: >http://www.icann.org/financials/ > >One document that caught my attention was the Report of Expense >Reimbursement and Other Payments to ICANN Directors: >http://www.icann.org/financials/director-expenses-fye2002.htm > > >Chris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net] >Sent: 27 November 2002 02:37 >To: lir-wg(a)ripe.net >Subject: [lir-wg] "...need to raise funding for first half of 2003..." > > >How much does RIPE currently pay to ICANN ? > >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00184.html >(3) The ICANN budget will not support much funding for the GNSO in first >half of 2003, so our budget assumptions are still valid (ie the GNSO will >need to raise funding for first half of 2003). >===== > > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. >**********************************************************************

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