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Minutes of RIPE 24 Local IR working group.
by John LeRoy Crain 11 Jun '96

11 Jun '96

Here are the minutes of the last workgroup. Better late than never :-) Kind regards, John Crain RIPE NCC -------------------- RIPE 24 (Berlin) Local IR working group Chair: Mike Norris Scribe: John Crain There were 62 people present. 1. Preliminaries 1.1 The minute-taker/Scibe was chosen. 1.2 The agenda was agreed upon. 2. RIPE 23 2.1 There were no comments on the minutes. 2.2 Actions outstanding; 21.3 To draft a recommendation on charging by local IRs until September (D. Karrenberg, M. Norris) DONE 23.6 To organise a Local IR workshop in conjunction with RIPE 24 (RIPE NCC) DONE 23.7 To include a paragraph in ripe-104++ on procedures for the reverse delegation of partially assigned class B networks. (RIPE NCC) DONE 3. reports from registries 3.1 Report from regional registry RIPE NCC, Mike Norris introduced the quarterly report. He asked if it could be moved to the plenary as it will be presented there anyway. Nobody objected. 3.2 There were no reports or "war stories" from other registries. 3.3 There were no reports from other regional registries. 4. IP Address Space Assignment Procedures 4.1 RIPE 104 Blasco Bonito mentioned that it was difficult to explain the reasons for the static-dialup policies. He asked if this could be explained more concisely in ripe-104++. Mike Norris stressed that a major point in 104++ is that an assignment is only valid so long as the criteria on which the assignment was based are still valid. He also announced that inaddr procedures (RIPE-105) have also been incorporated into RIPE-104++(Draft version). Mike Norris stressed that RIPE-104++ was not yet complete. Action on NCC and Editorial Comittee to complete ripe-104++ and circulate. 4.2 Supporting documentation. Mike Norris announced the combination of RIPE-128 and -129 in the draft document RIPE-128++. Commented that this was definately needed and quickly. This document had been discussed in the LIR workshop and some problems had been noted. Especially the points concerning end-user use of the document. He suggested that the document be discussed for a short period and then accepted as soon as possible. Mike Norris asked for comments on the documents: Yves Devillers asked when would the documents be ready for formal adoption. The document should be ready for RIPE 25 in the third quarter of 1996. The previous RIPE-104++ is in use and the first four sections have been approved at RIPE 23, the rest should be approved at RIPE 25. There were concerns about running on a "Draft document". Daniel Karrenberg & Rob Blokzijl stated that at the moment it is the best document we have. Action on NCC to produce new forms in May. 5. Charging by Local Internet Registries 5.1 RIPE NCC Charging model, This is in the RIPE NCC Report and will be left until the plenary. 5.2 Paper by Karrenberg and Norris Mike Norris presented a draft sheet concerning charging behaviour for LIR's. The document identifies name- and address-space as finite resources with no intrinsic value. Recommendations for registries are; Registries should publish there operating procedures, details of the services they offer, including tariffs etc and the fact that they do not sell name- or address-space as such. Special case registries should publish policies and be open. This is the best way to stop monopoly complaints. Daniel Karrenberg stated that the content of the document is already the consesus but now needed writing down. Blasco Bonito stated that he agrees with the content but would like to see lobbying of the Top Level Domain administrators on this document. The document will be passed on to the DNS-wg and posted to the TLD's known to the RIPE NCC. It will also be posted on a TLD mailing list. Various persons had problems with some of the wording, especially those sections concerning, consencus and profits and the phrase "nor be seen to generate". There was some discussion as to if a domain-name holder can resell that name. This falls outside the scope of the document and is a matter of local rules. The document only concerns the behaviour of LIR's. The document tries to document how a registry should behave not at the next level. Mike Norris summed up this by saying that the document is about charging for services and not for name- or address-space. It is meant to be a summary of expected behaviour. The document will be passed on to the DNS wg with idea of adoption in the plenary. Action on M. Norris to circulate paper to TLD registries. 6. Training 6.1 RIPE Training courses There have been three since RIPE-23 and three more are planned. The training courses have been recieving positive feedback. Recommendations have been made for seperating the training into different categories\levels. There are also new ideas for training course. 7. Input/Output with other working groups Database-wg 104++ is already there. Routing-wg Improving aggregation by reclamation is it worth while? DNS-wg "Charging by Local Internet registries" document. Netnews-wg nothing 8. Global Registry Coordination Daniel Karrenberg: There has been an increase in phone calls from US NOC,s because of wrong or misleading info in the Internic database.Do others have problems? Should we ask the internic to remove all info? There was general consencus to ask the Internic to remove the data. The question was raised " Should the AS objects also be removed?". Action on D. Karrenberg to raise the question with Internic. Because some US providers insist that your AS is registered in the database before they will peer with you, we shouldn't ask for these to be removed. 9. Reverse Domains Mike Norris: The procedures are now in RIPE-104++. Anything to report? Daniel Karrenberg stated that the situation with inaddr.arpa was "not that bad". 10. AOB Carol Orange announced that the Quartely reports were outside

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Local IR Training Course in Stockholm
by RIPE NCC Training 15 May '96

15 May '96

* * * Announcement * * * Local Internet Registries Training Course Date: Friday 7th June, 1996 Time: 09:00 - 17:00 Venue: Royal Institute of Technology KTH/SUNET S-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Course Audience --------------- The target audience for this course is personnel of European Local Internet Registries that contribute to the RIPE NCC. Material Covered ---------------- The course is a one day introduction on Internet name, address and routing policy registration procedures in Europe. It also teaches how to query and use the information registered for operational purposes. This includes the following material and activities: o Overview of name, address and routing registration procedures. o Responsibilities of both RIPE NCC and Local IR's to each other. o Wider context of the Delegated Registry system and relevant issues (IPv4 address depletion, CIDR) and how this relates to IP requests. o How to use the RIPE NCC Database. o Use of AS numbers, Routing Registry concepts and an introduction to using PRIDE tools. o DNS feedback on commor errors, how to request delegations, and pointers to useful tools. We again stress that this course will *not* teach Local Registries on how to run their business as Internet Service Providers. It is clearly focussed on registration procedures and the interaction between the RIPE NCC and local IR's. A detailed outline is appended below. The course itself will include lunch and will be free. This of course does not include your travel and subsitence ;-). How to Register --------------- Please send an RSVP to <training(a)ripe.net> if you would like to attend the course. If you have previously approached us about attending this course, we ask you to confirm that you (or a colleague) will be attending. Registrations will be accepted on a first come, first served basis. If the course is oversubscribed, we will give priority to local IRs who have most recently paid the signup fee. If it is still oversubscribed, we will accept only one person per new local registry. We will provide additional course dates as necessary. If a number of local registries so request, we will present courses at other European locations. If you would like a local course or have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact us. The RIPE NCC Training Team: Mirjam Kuehne, Carol Orange --- Course Outline -------------- We will provide a slidebook and a reader on the day of the course, as well as electronically. It is planned to make detailed documentation available in the form of a guide much like the PRIDE guide. The program will divide the actual content into the following sections: 1. Introduction For those unfamiliar with the Delegated Internet Registry system and the RIPE NCC, this section will give a historical overview of how we have arrived at today's model of operation and why training of local IR's is a much needed activity. 2. IP Registry procedures This section will clarify the procedures between the RIPE NCC and local IR's with respect to requests for IP address space. It will take a step by step approach on how to complete documentation, the kind of information that is required, what the "handholding" procedure is, how to deal with very large requests, and very small requests, and more generally what criteria the RIPE NCC and local IR's use for their customers in the context of CIDR and IPv4 address depletion. 3. RIPE NCC Database This section will explain what the RIPE NCC Database is and how it fits into the scheme of other registry databases. It will cover how to create and update RIPE NCC Database objects and will explain how to query the database. 4. Routing Registry procedures This section will examine AS numbers, when you need them and how to request them. This will be set within the context of how AS numbers are used as part of the RIPE Routing Registry. Understanding the basic principles behind the Internet Routing Registry and how registering your policy is an important element in the global schema. This section will also include a brief introduction to the PRIDE tools and how they can be useful to you. 5. DNS procedures Where to request forward and reverse domain delegation. Which documentation should be completed. How reverse domain delegation requests are processed at the RIPE NCC (with a useful tool). We will also take a look at common errors in setting up DNS with respect to relevant RFCs and RIPE recommendations. Feedback Please! Throughout the course there will be ample chance for feedback and discussion with an emphasis for you to tell us how we can improve ;-). %%%%%%%%%%% PLEASE NOTE %%%%%%%%%%% Our handling of ALL course registrations is fully automated. To register for the course, please complete the registration form and send it to <training(a)ripe.net>. Please send only the registration form in your reply and edit out all other text. Add in a value in the `box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If you have any questions about the training course or your registration form, please contact us at <training(a)ripe.net>. You will receive a notification message that your request has been processed. Many thanks, and look forward to seeing you, RIPE NCC Training Team ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START PART 1 - Registration 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton # NAME [ ] 2) Your Registry ID (format: country-code.<name of registry>) # REG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address # EMAIL [ ] 4) The course you plan to attend (date and location) # COURSE [ Friday 7th June, Stockholm, Sweden ] %END

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Local IR Training Course in Geneva
by RIPE NCC Training 15 May '96

15 May '96

* * * Announcement * * * Local Internet Registries Training Course Date: Friday 19th July, 1996 Time: 09:00 - 17:00 Venue: ICC Building 20 Route de Pre-Bois 1215 Geneva Switzerland Course Audience --------------- The target audience for this course is personnel of European Local Internet Registries that contribute to the RIPE NCC. Material Covered ---------------- The course is a one day introduction on Internet name, address and routing policy registration procedures in Europe. It also teaches how to query and use the information registered for operational purposes. This includes the following material and activities: o Overview of name, address and routing registration procedures. o Responsibilities of both RIPE NCC and Local IR's to each other. o Wider context of the Delegated Registry system and relevant issues (IPv4 address depletion, CIDR) and how this relates to IP requests. o How to use the RIPE NCC Database. o Use of AS numbers, Routing Registry concepts and an introduction to using PRIDE tools. o DNS feedback on commor errors, how to request delegations, and pointers to useful tools. We again stress that this course will *not* teach Local Registries on how to run their business as Internet Service Providers. It is clearly focussed on registration procedures and the interaction between the RIPE NCC and local IR's. A detailed outline is appended below. The course itself will include lunch and will be free. This of course does not include your travel and subsitence ;-). How to Register --------------- Please send an RSVP to <training(a)ripe.net> if you would like to attend the course. If you have previously approached us about attending this course, we ask you to confirm that you (or a colleague) will be attending. Registrations will be accepted on a first come, first served basis. If the course is oversubscribed, we will give priority to local IRs who have most recently paid the signup fee. If it is still oversubscribed, we will accept only one person per new local registry. We will provide additional course dates as necessary. If a number of local registries so request, we will present courses at other European locations. If you would like a local course or have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact us. The RIPE NCC Training Team: Mirjam Kuehne, Carol Orange --- Course Outline -------------- We will provide a slidebook and a reader on the day of the course, as well as electronically. It is planned to make detailed documentation available in the form of a guide much like the PRIDE guide. The program will divide the actual content into the following sections: 1. Introduction For those unfamiliar with the Delegated Internet Registry system and the RIPE NCC, this section will give a historical overview of how we have arrived at today's model of operation and why training of local IR's is a much needed activity. 2. IP Registry procedures This section will clarify the procedures between the RIPE NCC and local IR's with respect to requests for IP address space. It will take a step by step approach on how to complete documentation, the kind of information that is required, what the "handholding" procedure is, how to deal with very large requests, and very small requests, and more generally what criteria the RIPE NCC and local IR's use for their customers in the context of CIDR and IPv4 address depletion. 3. RIPE NCC Database This section will explain what the RIPE NCC Database is and how it fits into the scheme of other registry databases. It will cover how to create and update RIPE NCC Database objects and will explain how to query the database. 4. Routing Registry procedures This section will examine AS numbers, when you need them and how to request them. This will be set within the context of how AS numbers are used as part of the RIPE Routing Registry. Understanding the basic principles behind the Internet Routing Registry and how registering your policy is an important element in the global schema. This section will also include a brief introduction to the PRIDE tools and how they can be useful to you. 5. DNS procedures Where to request forward and reverse domain delegation. Which documentation should be completed. How reverse domain delegation requests are processed at the RIPE NCC (with a useful tool). We will also take a look at common errors in setting up DNS with respect to relevant RFCs and RIPE recommendations. Feedback Please! Throughout the course there will be ample chance for feedback and discussion with an emphasis for you to tell us how we can improve ;-). %%%%%%%%%%% PLEASE NOTE %%%%%%%%%%% Our handling of ALL course registrations is fully automated. To register for the course, please complete the registration form and send it to <training(a)ripe.net>. Please send only the registration form in your reply and edit out all other text. Add in a value in the `box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If you have any questions about the training course or your registration form, please contact us at <training(a)ripe.net>. You will receive a notification message that your request has been processed. Many thanks, and look forward to seeing you, RIPE NCC Training Team ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START PART 1 - Registration 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton # NAME [ ] 2) Your Registry ID (format: country-code.<name of registry>) # REG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address # EMAIL [ ] 4) The course you plan to attend (date and location) # COURSE [ Friday 19th July, Geneva, Switzerland ] %END

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Local IR Training Course Amsterdam - Registration closed
by RIPE NCC Training 13 May '96

13 May '96

Dear Local IR's, The registration for the Local IR Training course in Amsterdam, 20th May 1996 has now (definitely ;-) been closed. As soon as we have scheduled additional Training Courses, we will announce them to <local-ir(a)ripe.net>. If your registration could not be accepted this time, please register again for the next course to confirm your continued interest in attending. If you are interested in having a course in your country for a number of local IR's, we would be happy to do this. To discuss this further, please send mail to <training(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE NCC Training Team

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Local IR Training Course in Amsterdam
by RIPE NCC Training 13 May '96

13 May '96

* * * Announcement * * * Due to a cancelation we have *one* more free place for our: Local Internet Registries Training Course Date: Monday 20th May, 1996 Time: 0900 - 1700 Venue: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Amsterdam Airport Schiphol Conference Centre If you are interested, please register asap (first come, first served ;-) Course Audience --------------- The target audience for this course is personnel of European Local Internet Registries that contribute to the RIPE NCC. Material Covered ---------------- The course is a one day introduction on Internet name, address and routing policy registration procedures in Europe. It also teaches how to query and use the information registered for operational purposes. This includes the following material and activities: o Overview of name, address and routing registration procedures. o Responsibilities of both RIPE NCC and Local IR's to each other. o Wider context of the Delegated Registry system and relevant issues (IPv4 address depletion, CIDR) and how this relates to IP requests. o How to use the RIPE NCC Database. o Use of AS numbers, Routing Registry concepts and an introduction to using PRIDE tools. o DNS feedback on commor errors, how to request delegations, and pointers to useful tools. We again stress that this course will *not* teach Local Registries on how to run their business as Internet Service Providers. It is clearly focussed on registration procedures and the interaction between the RIPE NCC and local IR's. A detailed outline is appended below. The course itself will include lunch and will be free. This of course does not include your travel and subsitence ;-). How to Register --------------- Please send an RSVP to <training(a)ripe.net> if you would like to attend the course. If you have previously approached us about attending this course, we ask you to confirm that you (or a colleague) will be attending. Registrations will be accepted on a first come, first served basis. If the course is oversubscribed, we will give priority to local IRs who have most recently paid the signup fee. If it is still oversubscribed, we will accept only one person per new local registry. We will provide additional course dates as necessary. If a number of local registries so request, we will present courses at other European locations. If you would like a local course or have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact us. The RIPE NCC Training Team: Mirjam Kuehne, Carol Orange --- Course Outline -------------- We will provide a slidebook and a reader on the day of the course, as well as electronically. It is planned to make detailed documentation available in the form of a guide much like the PRIDE guide. The program will divide the actual content into the following sections: 1. Introduction For those unfamiliar with the Delegated Internet Registry system and the RIPE NCC, this section will give a historical overview of how we have arrived at today's model of operation and why training of local IR's is a much needed activity. 2. IP Registry procedures This section will clarify the procedures between the RIPE NCC and local IR's with respect to requests for IP address space. It will take a step by step approach on how to complete documentation, the kind of information that is required, what the "handholding" procedure is, how to deal with very large requests, and very small requests, and more generally what criteria the RIPE NCC and local IR's use for their customers in the context of CIDR and IPv4 address depletion. 3. RIPE NCC Database This section will explain what the RIPE NCC Database is and how it fits into the scheme of other registry databases. It will cover how to create and update RIPE NCC Database objects and will explain how to query the database. 4. Routing Registry procedures This section will examine AS numbers, when you need them and how to request them. This will be set within the context of how AS numbers are used as part of the RIPE Routing Registry. Understanding the basic principles behind the Internet Routing Registry and how registering your policy is an important element in the global schema. This section will also include a brief introduction to the PRIDE tools and how they can be useful to you. 5. DNS procedures Where to request forward and reverse domain delegation. Which documentation should be completed. How reverse domain delegation requests are processed at the RIPE NCC (with a useful tool). We will also take a look at common errors in setting up DNS with respect to relevant RFCs and RIPE recommendations. Feedback Please! Throughout the course there will be ample chance for feedback and discussion with an emphasis for you to tell us how we can improve ;-). %%%%%%%%%%% PLEASE NOTE %%%%%%%%%%% Our handling of ALL course registrations is fully automated. To register for the course, please complete the registration form and send it to <training(a)ripe.net>. Please send only the registration form in your reply and edit out all other text. Add in a value in the `box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If you have any questions about the training course or your registration form, please contact us at <training(a)ripe.net>. You will receive a notification message that your request has been processed. Many thanks, and look forward to seeing you, RIPE NCC Training Team ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START PART 1 - Registration 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton # NAME [ ] 2) Your Registry ID (format: country-code.<name of registry>) # REG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address # EMAIL [ ] 4) The course you plan to attend (date and location) # COURSE [ Monday 20th May 1996, Amsterdam, The Netherlands ] %END

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RE: Charging by local IRs
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 05 May '96

05 May '96

Daniel said: = > "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" <woeber(a)cc.univie.ac.at> writes: = > . Either store the documents where they are maintained = > --> broken links, eventually. = =I do not expect much volatility in this area. Also the new setup of =the RIPE docstore will note this as it happens and it can be fixed quickly. = = > . Or store the documents alongside with the parent doc at the RIPE-NCC = > --> non-trivial to make the access "secure" and at the same time = > resonably comfortable to ensure regular updates. = =This is slightly more involved and therefore 2nd choice. I stil think that it would be much simpler to put any relevant urls into the TLD-objects in the RIPE-DB, either in a remark: attribute or in the (proposed) url: attribute. Wilfried. BTW, technical curiosity: how do you intend to keep track of dangling pointers in the "new RIPE Web"? Carol mentioned that aspect briefly in the plenary report but didn't go into details... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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TLD admin mailinglist
by Roderik Muit 30 Apr '96

30 Apr '96

It has been said a few times at the 24th RIPE meeting in Berlin that a mailinglist for Top Level Domain adminstrators has not been created yet. (Action point 23.2 was still considered open.) This is not true, however. The mailinglist was set up in the week after the 23rd RIPE meeting. The announcement of this has been sent to the DNS working group mailinglist. ======

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